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About LinkBacksCan't get it to load in VMWare. If anyone has settings that work let me know. Tried the 64 and 32 bit versions. Got a HAL_INITIALISATION_ERROR on the latter (What are you doing Stringent)
EDIT: http://tinkertry.com/windows8downloa...ndows8download
Can't get it to load in VMWare. If anyone has settings that work let me know. Tried the 64 and 32 bit versions. Got a HAL_INITIALISATION_ERROR on the latter (What are you doing Stringent)
EDIT: http://tinkertry.com/windows8downloa...ndows8download
Last edited by Stringent; 14-09-2011 at 09:27 AM. Reason: link added
From what I have heard its more sort of a skin running on top of windows 7. but anyways mate, cheers, ill try it now
VirtualBox seems to work fine
This. MS are courting developers at BUILD and with this preview - and yet the net is full of people screaming about this, that and the other as though this is final product. From what's been said, there are effectively two shells - metro and aero (for want of a better name) and they can run independently or together as appropriate (Steven Sinofsky).Originally Posted by Splash
Still it makes a change from reading the "ZOMG the ribbon uses my entire screen and I'm forced to use it like 150% of the time" type posts..
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Just because you love it doesn't mean everyone else has to and if plenty of people don't like it then good for them. Perhaps it will send a message to Microsoft.
Perhaps you have forgotten something. Companies sell us a product not the other way around where we just accept anything they think is good for us.
Its called feedback. Maybe this is the reason Microsoft have made this download available for free to anyone is to get you know,feedback??
Except,nobody should criticise this build in ANY way.
Nope just ZOMG,Microsoft have something new and I HAVE to like it.
BTW,I did run the preview and the startup and desktop and I have mixed feelings about it. I have no X86 tablet to try this out on so I cannot say how good it is for that though.
What do you expect from people when Microsoft makes statements like this:
"This is the new version of Windows. It's going to run on laptops, it's going to run on desktops, it's going to run on PCs with a mouse and keyboard, it's going to run on touch slates, it's going to run on everything. Hundreds of millions of Windows PCs powered by this new interface and new platform."
Its like ZOMG look at the new shiny we have implemented. If people don't like the new interface and changes of course they are not going to be happy.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 14-09-2011 at 10:16 AM.
Kinda a seperate 'shell' for non explorer tasks, I like the full screen nature of it myself....
But parts are baked in to winlogon, these bits you have very limited options customising. I would say cat just download and have a play!
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Because a lot of the complaints are luddite. There is something worth hating about office 2007 ribbon, the lack of customisation. Why in Visio when they added the ribbon in 2010 they lost fucntions, they turned them off unless you enabled 'dev mode', i mean I'm a fricken dev and I had to google that.... FAIL!
But most peoples objections to the ribbon are costmetic, all of the ones based on usability studies say its overwhelmingly better than the file menu style interface....
This is why when people moan about it, its very difficult to progress because they create noise about non-issues, filled with anacodates and ignorance.
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I could care less about cosmetics as long as the usability is there and is not slower than before. The problem is that too many people think just because something is new it is instantly better. People have every right to complain, if they want to and no-one has the right to go and tell them not to either. Regarding the ribbon interface with Office, I gave it the benefit of the doubt and it is a decent enough interface within its limits. However,using this build of Windows 8 I just get a feeling of "meh" !! Of course maybe my view will change after a week or two.
You moaned about the iPad for instant,whereas many people love them and think they are the best in usability of any mobile computing device. So they could argue your comments are luddite too(not saying you are though). I am sure usability studies have shown good things for the Apple iPad and iOS too. I personally like webOS myself, but TBH there are loads of people who just didn't like it too, so different people have different views on what is the best for them.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 14-09-2011 at 11:08 AM.
Or that too many people think that just because something has changed it is instantly worse...
As others have said, this is a pre-beta release: stuff will change before RTM. Also, just because Microsoft would like everyone to use the new shiny interface, doesn't mean they're going to force everyone to. I imagine the final product will have plenty of customisation options. Perhaps you'll be able to run Metro in a window, like the old fashioned Program Manager. Now that'd be something....
They're not Apple, after all...
<dons flame retardant suit>
That was on the tip of my tongue too - that's the difference. Yes MS will inevitable force some change on people but for some things (the ribbon is a great example) it's configurable and optional (and therefore why get so darn worked up over it).They're not Apple, after all...
<dons flame retardant suit>
For clarification - I'm not "in love" with anything (well the wife maybe) but i'd echo the sentiment that people are rather quick to write something off that's half finished and without having physically tried it. The truth is (and ask any Dev me included) all change is seen as bad - good or not people like sitting in their comfort zone and don't want to learn anything new. These people are also generally darn vocal about it - and as a Dev you have to walk a fine line because you can never really please everybody. Ever. MS know this, and they spend a lot of time (and cash) which I only wish I could do in my job on focus groups and gathering feedback. They're doing the latter at the moment via their blog and via BUILD but I'll guarantee you that posts proposing something constructive get a lot more attention than puddle deep criticisms and knee jerk reactions. A lot of what I see (and not here necessarily) is exactly that.
I'm not (in fact) singling out anybody here I'm just giving my perspective as a developer on the receiving end of this sort of thing. We're damned either way - leave it the way it is "you suck, no innovation" and change anything "OMG what the hell are you doing"So yes, I sympathise with other developers (even those at MS) in the task that they face. Personally, I do think they listen far more than they ever did - but if you want to get their attention then throwing toys out of prams and screaming isn't the way to do it.
Just my tuppence, no offence intended particularly at you CAT-THE-FIFTH (since you picked up my previous post).
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Having had a play around today I have some thoughts about the pre-beta desktop. Of course after this the Microsoft possy may start throwing old ME disks at me.
I will have a better play around with the tiles and probably give another non-review at some point.
Firstly, here are some shortcuts for those wishing to navigate metro a bit easier:
http://www.winmatrix.com/forums/inde...i-tips-tricks/
With Windows 7 it takes two steps to get to the desktop:
1.)Switch computer on
2.)Enter password at start screen
Now lets look at Windows 8 developer version.
This is the first screen you are greeted with after boot. It is so serene and calming plus it tells me the time date and time!! This is very useful as I usually don't have a clue about such things. Clicking the icon or dragging the screen upwards with your mouse banishes it to some place unknown.
Moving on. Now we are greeted by a very eco-green password screen.
After,we get to the metro tile screen thingy.
TBH,it looks rather a jumbled mess and I like how Microsoft has centred the "store" sign right in the middle of the screen. However,the large icons are ideal for those who cannot afford prescription glasses.
I can see the advantage of adding icons for frequently used applications instead of getting to the desktop.
However,since getting to the Windows 7 desktop is quicker anyway it negates any potential speed advantage.
You can scroll using the keyboard arrow keys or using the mouse to drag the slide bar at the bottom.
A nice addition would be for the tile screen to recognise the lateral acceleration of the mouse so you could quickly scroll through the tiles.
However,luckily you can remove and organise the icons you want. So I decided to do some spring cleaning.
Now we reach the new and improved desktop. Its only taken three steps too.
Wait a second!! Something seems very familiar.....!!
Is it me or does Microsoft have a slight obsession with telling people the time and date??
Maybe something historic is afoot and they want us to remember the time and date?? What could it possibly be??
As you have noticed the start menu has been totally castrated. Clicking on it will actually lead you back to the tile screen. Instead to bring it up you sort of need to hover the mouse over the icon.
Any menus launched are also pared down.
However,a lot of functionality is now in the ribbon menus in the file explorer.
You can also add shortcuts and toolbars onto the taskbar as before.
On the BAH!,MEH!! and YIPPEE!!! rating scale, I give it a solid MEH!!
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 01-03-2012 at 07:28 PM.
dbh (15-09-2011)
Is it actually any different under the hood ?
Is it faster, better, stronger than it was before ?
Otherwise I will do my best to avoid.
Society's to blame,
Or possibly Atari.
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