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Well I'm not expectiong anything from the K8 family to be a conroe killer, nor do I think AMD indended them to be (same for thier new AM2 platform, that was just a late upgrade to DDR2 when the DDR2 market had some good stuff to be had).
Ireally doubt AMD are sitting on thier arses just doing clock speed bumps like intel used to do, I'm sure they're working on something new to rival conroe.
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