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| Blu Ray Players Outdated by October Posted this in the news section, but was suggested I post here also: - http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6427147 Essentially this means any Blu Ray player you buy from now until October 31st doesn't need to be compatible with the new and advanced interactive features found on new Blu Ray disks. There are no current or announced players (including the new players from Pioneer, Panasonic, Sony and Samsung) that will be able to use these features (this is the reason BD isn't getting The Matrix anytime this year). The PS3 should be OK with a firmware upgrade, but this isn't guaranteed as yet. Real nice if you've just dropped £1000 on a BD player... |
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| Skimmed through that article and i now don't think we will be seeing real budget players for a long long time. Players are mandated to have 256MB memory and 1GB if they have an internet connection for interactive features. There goes the £50 supermarket players that would kickstart the market. |
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| Does the PS3 have same problem then? Is it RAM that's required or will HD space do? Te audire non possum. Musa sapientum fixa est in aure ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- System 001: Asus P5Q Deluxe, Q6600 @ 3.0ghz, D-Tek FuZion V2 CPU Block, GTX280, Alphacool GPU Block, 4GIG Corsair 6400 DDR2 RAM CL4 @ 800mhz, Corsair HX1000, Dell SP2309W, Logitech 5.1, Seagate 7200.10 320gb x 2 (RAID 0), 500 GIG 7200.9 (backups), Intel X25-M Gen 2 SSD (System), Antec 1200 case, Thermochill 120.3 rad, Vario Pump, Windows 7 x64 [main] System 002: 4200X2, ASROCK (my ass-rocks!) 939 uATX MB, ATI1650 (passive), Zalman 500W psu, Dell 2001FP 20" LCD, £7's worth of 5.1 speakers (they rock) Windows 7 x86[wife/server] System 003: AOpen 1557 GLSLaptop, ATI 9600 64mb, 1.5 GIG of DDR2700 memory, 60gig fujitsu HD 8mb cache, Intel Wireless and it's great! Windows 7 32bit [main lappy] System 004: ASUS A8N Premium, 4200 X2, 2 GIG Corsair, Silverstone HTPC case, XP120 cooler, 8600GTS (passive), Samsung 500GIG, MCE Remote, Samsung 40" LCD (87BDX) via HDMI Windows 7 (32) [media centre] System 005: 7" Asus Eee PC 701-B Intel Mobile, 2GB DDR2, 4GB Solid State HDD, Linux Deleted - XP to replace it!, Black [toy] System 006: Acer Aspire One, 1gb, 120gb HD, 6 cell battery, intel wireless upgrade,Windows 7 32bit Work System 001: HP supplied Quad Core Q6600, 4gb DDR 2, 400gb SATA RAID 0, 250gb SATA backup drive, nVidia 8800GTS 640mb, HP LP2065, Eizo M1700, Windows 7 64 RTM [main work system] --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Directory Opus 9 rocks! (click here) Opera Ad-Blocker (click here) |
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| All players should be compliant with a firmware upgrade (inc PS3 if it isn't already compliant) to some extent - these are mainly fluff features that the majority of users don't care about anyway. What the article doesn't tell you is WHY they are implementing BD-J now......It isn;t for functionality, its for the added copy-protection that can be added to the discs, this is why ALL BluRay releases are currently on hold since the protection was cracked which forced Sony to play the BD-J card they hoped they could keep up their sleeve for a year or 2...... As for the "£50 supermarket players" comment.....these features do not change a thing, they are all incredibly cheap features to implement....the only thing stopping cheap BR (and HD-DVD) players is the prohibitive cost of the blue laser diodes. They cost a ton to make and have rather low yields. It was the production of these laser diodes that made the PS3 both late to market and so expensive. Main PC: Asus P6T6 WS Revo / i920 @ 4GHz / 12GB DDR3-1600 / 4870x2 + 8600GTS / Areca 1680 / Xonar D2X / Seasonic M12-700 / 2x Dell 3007 / Win 7 x64 Ultimate Main PC Raid Setup: 2 x 80GB G2 Intel SSD (OS and Apps - RAID0) / 2 x 64GB Samsung SSD (Games - RAID0) / 4 x 1TB Sumsung F1 (Mass Storage - RAID5) Spare PC: Asus Blitz Formula / Q6600 @ 3.4GHz / 6GB DDR2-6400 / 8800GTX / X-Fi Fatal1ty / Xclio 700W Modular / Dell 2405 / Various SATA drives / Win 7 x64 Ultimate HTPC: ASRock ConRoe945G-DVI / E5300 / 4GB DDR2-6400 / HD4550 / TH50PHD9 / 2 x 1.5TB Samsung F2 / LG GGW-H10N / Win 7 x86 Pro Server: Asus P5K / Q9550 / 8GB DDR2-8000 / Matrox G550 / Areca 1210 / 2 x 320GB Seagate 7200.10 / ESX 4.0 NAS: Thecus N5200 with 5 x WD6400AAKS (Modded to PRO) My latest 3DMark score | RAID Peformance | My DVD Collection |
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| Originally Posted by dangel The PS3 is definitely not currently compliant, but should be OK with a firmware update, although Sony will not confirm 100% as yet. Obviously you can't add a network port or persistant RAM to the Panasonic with a firmware upgrade
![]() These "fluff" features are a big part of the next-gen formats, and obviously Warner think it's a big enough deal not to release The Matrix collection on BD because of it (unlike the fully functional HD-DVD release which is shipping in April). |
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| Here's another one for you: - http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.p...95#post1043595 No mention of BD-J 1.1/BD Live compatibilty or ugradeability |
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| Are people even bothered about these features? I mean surely you go for BR/HD because you want the hi-res cinematic experience in your home. Surely all consumers really want is the movie and maybe a few bonus features. Picture in picture? How many people are going to be watching a movie and want the disruption of playing other content at the same time. It's not like when DVD came out, every ones got the internet these days, especially BR/HD player owners, so who really wants to have limitted extra features played through a movie player when you can use a real computer. When I buy an audio cd it goes in my player and gets played. I don't want stills from the recording session, artist commentary or bloopers. Surely the same is true of film buffs, they just want to stick a film in and watch it. All the other content can be catered for on a proper internet browsing device. Bonus features have always been one of my pet peeves about dvd's. When I get a dvd, I get a divx copy as well and the disc in case goes on a shelf, I might watch the bonus content if it's a comedy or standup show for example the Ricky Gervais one that has Carl Pilkington on it, it's almost as funny as the main content. But How many times do you want to see Peter Kay laugh before he finishes a line? And do I really care how long it took the CGI crew to ruin Star Wars? "You've gotta laugh when you fall off a sofa!" |
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| I don't disagree with what your saying - I've hardly ever watched a bonus feature on a DVD. Doesn't mean I want to shell out £1000 on a player in June that I know won't play the features come October though. Sounds like your a perfect candidate for a new £1000 player - buy one now and you won't get any bonus/interactive features because your player won't support them come October |
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| This gets even better - turns out that the compliance with the Blu Ray disk profiles is only mandatory for new players introduced after October 31st i.e. as long as a player is on sale before that date, it can quite happily be sold as a compliant Blu Ray player for as long as they want to. Also, the BD-Live (2.0) specification doesn't currently have a date for mandatory compliance - but is expected in 2008. Nice one. |
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| Seems like they are being lax on other players so that the PS3 which can have firmware updates to enable new features looks like a better deal that it might otherwise be. |
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| Originally Posted by Lourdes Such as???
Yes both formats have optional features - no one's saying otherwise. But would you be happy shelling out £1000-£1500 this summer/xmas on a player that won't play all features of all Blu Ray disks by Xmas? I certainly wouldn't. |
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