Are there any Freesat Dish's that act as a Terrestrial Receiver too (normal Coax cab

[Zak33]

Hi guys

Is there such a thing as a Free Sat dish that puts out a Freesat signal through regular coax (ie like TV coax, no screw thread) and that would then run to a normal co ax plug socket in someones living room, and then into a Panasonic Vierra tv via a normal co ax tv estyle cable (not satelllite screw thread) giving the owner both Free Sat AND Digital TV terrestrial stylee tv?

Because that's what I've just heard dicsussed at work and I'm bemused... and out of touch.

[g8ina]

In a word - no. Sat stuff runs in the GHz range, needs higher quality connectors, also I dont believe any TV have Freesat decoders built in ???

Ordinary TV signals are much lower in frequency so you use a Yagi aerial for that.

[GoNz0]

bit behind on the times g8ina, lots of high end TV's have freesat but they are the standard screw in connectors that a sat box takes. panasonic VT30 series springs to mind

and zak, tv coax and sat coax are basically the same but sat coax is shielded, i used sat cable for normal freeview as well as my virginmedia cable as its better quality. up to you how you terminate it but satalite connections are never push fit, some tv boosters use screw fit if they are designed to be outdoor.

[Zak33]

so can the person in question use the Free Sat dish cable to go into an HD Freeview box, and then out the other side and into a Freesat TV?

[GoNz0]

er no. that's like wondering why a diesel car doesn't run on petrol. a sat signal going into a freeview box would blow it up as it carries 17 volts to power the sat LNB.

[g8ina]

Oopsies, I am out of touch !

[Biscuit]

Just for reference, 'Screw fit' connectors are actually called f-type and you should really use screened cable for DVB-T aswell.

If you ask nicely i might be able to get some off-cuts and connectors from work

The above is correct though, such a device does not exist. You could probs get a mast that you could mount both an aerial and a sat dish on but there is no single device to do both.

[Zak33]

so are you saying that the Vierra telly takes one Freesat signal in and within that it has terrestrial AND Freesat ?

hence him having one cable, from him wall

because he is adamant that the tv has two input modes on the remote... Freesat and Digital TV but only one cable into the tv.... a Coax from the Dish that terminates oh his living room wall and then uses standard coax tv cable to the telly.

[GoNz0]

nope, it has 2 inputs, one for satellite and one for terrestrial aerial, what he says is not possible, he is on drugs

[directhex]

so are you saying that the Vierra telly takes one Freesat signal in and within that it has terrestrial AND Freesat ?

Nope. VIERA TVs have two identical push-fit connectors on the back, one marked satellite and one marked aerial. The box comes with two adapters, to convert from F-type to the TV's socket, and from UK coax plug to the TV's socket.

You can *just about* see the two connectors on http://www.avforums.com/reviews/incl...onnections.jpg - or yank the manual for one of these TVs from Panasonic's site.

because he is adamant that the tv has two input modes on the remote... Freesat and Digital TV but only one cable into the tv.... a Coax from the Dish that terminates oh his living room wall and then uses standard coax tv cable to the telly.

As you can see, the VIERA takes two connections for two different and incompatible inputs.

[Flibb]

Just looked at the manual for this years top end Viera plasma and LCD, both have freeview and freesat tuners. A separate connection is required for each tuner. Ask him what model.

Linky, look at page 14
http://tda.panasonic-europe-service..../TQB0E2264.pdf

[Zak33]

right.. ta people

this implies that I (and G8ina) were right... it's not possible and he is, indeed, on drugz

[g8ina]

I wuz only *nearly* right

[llololloy]

It's entirely possible he has a tv and satellite wall socket (with all the relevant wiring behind the wall), using the 2 standard connectors, then has a single "shotgun" cable to the tv, splitting back to the 2 relevant outputs. It would seem to the lay person it was one cable.
Might explain the guys confusion.

[Saracen]

It's entirely possible he has a tv and satellite wall socket (with all the relevant wiring behind the wall), using the 2 standard connectors, then has a single "shotgun" cable to the tv, splitting back to the 2 relevant outputs. It would seem to the lay person it was one cable.
Might explain the guys confusion.

Good point.

Somewhere, I have a little box (not currently in use) that "multiplexes" several different services, and uses a single "drop" cable to the lounge.

In other words, in the loft, it takes feeds from terrestial TV, Satellite (2 Sky+ feeds), FM radio, dab radio and, IIRC, CCTV, and runs them ALL down a single cable. They're them split out again at the other end.

Technically, there's no real problems with doing hits in principle, providing the "box" that does it is of a decent quality, and the feeds in are suitably filtered (to remove unwanted harmonics, for instance), and are far enough apart to interfere with each other.

In practice, it's fairly easy to do, but not so easy (or cheap) to do well .... that is, without degrading the signals.

And, as llololloy so rightly pointed out, this kind of electronic trickery could be masked from the end user, who simply sees a wall-mounted box with connectors on it for the various services.

[Saracen]

It's entirely possible he has a tv and satellite wall socket (with all the relevant wiring behind the wall), using the 2 standard connectors, then has a single "shotgun" cable to the tv, splitting back to the 2 relevant outputs. It would seem to the lay person it was one cable.
Might explain the guys confusion.

Good point.

Somewhere, I have a little box (Labgear, IIRC, and not currently in use) that "multiplexes" several different services, and uses a single "drop" cable to the lounge.

In other words, in the loft, it takes feeds from terrestial TV, Satellite (2 Sky+ feeds), FM radio, dab radio and, IIRC, CCTV, and runs them ALL down a single cable. They're them split out again at the other end.

Technically, there's no real problems with doing hits in principle, providing the "box" that does it is of a decent quality, and the feeds in are suitably filtered (to remove unwanted harmonics, for instance), and are far enough apart to interfere with each other.

In practice, it's fairly easy to do, but not so easy (or cheap) to do well .... that is, without degrading the signals.

And, as llololloy so rightly pointed out, this kind of electronic trickery could be masked from the end user, who simply sees a wall-mounted box with connectors on it for the various services.