Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 21

Thread: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

  1. #1
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,176
    Thanks
    3,121
    Thanked
    3,173 times in 1,922 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    I've seen 3 Golf R's this week. Evertime I see one I think "oih.. chav boy... what's with the quad pipe on as new, quire pretty hatchback.?" Then it occurs.. it's standard!

    When has a 2 litre turbo with 300 hp ever needed quad pipes?

    I kind of understand it on an AMG ML63 5.5litre bi turbo .. it's close to needing it then....

    but a 300bhp golf?

    Anyone think it looks right? and proper?



    does it have trick exhaust notes or anything?

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  2. #2
    boop, got your nose stevie lee's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    southport
    Posts
    2,689
    Thanks
    420
    Thanked
    440 times in 326 posts
    • stevie lee's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS ROG STRIX B450-F Gaming
      • CPU:
      • Ryzen 3600
      • Memory:
      • 16 GB Corsair 3600 MHZ Cas 18
      • Storage:
      • 250GB BX500, M500 240GB, SN750 1TB NVME, mechs - Hitachi 1TB. WDblue 2TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • sapphire 7700 1gb
      • PSU:
      • corsair RM550X
      • Case:
      • Xigmatech Midgard
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Home
      • Monitor(s):
      • 42" Panasonix viera (1080p limited RGB)
      • Internet:
      • plusnet fibre

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    makes it symmetrical

    probably makes it sound more golfy

    something to do with the turbos needing it.

    differentiate it from the 'poorer mans' versions

    to make it feel like you are getting more power, more street cred, because there's more pipes on the back. more is better.

    all in all, no idea why it does.

  3. #3
    Guy
    Guy is offline
    HEXUS.social member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Hampshire, UK
    Posts
    5,174
    Thanks
    404
    Thanked
    412 times in 296 posts

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    The S3 has done the same as well. Personally think it looks ridiculous.
    Dual pipes are fine and can work well (Golf GTI/GTD, BMW M135i) but four on anything the wrong side of a V8 should be criminal.

  4. #4
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,176
    Thanks
    3,121
    Thanked
    3,173 times in 1,922 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    glad it's not just me

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  5. #5
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,176
    Thanks
    3,121
    Thanked
    3,173 times in 1,922 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by stevie lee View Post
    make it feel like you are getting more powA
    edited to correct spelling

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  6. #6
    Treasure Hunter extraordinaire herulach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Bolton
    Posts
    5,618
    Thanks
    18
    Thanked
    172 times in 159 posts
    • herulach's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI Z97 MPower
      • CPU:
      • i7 4790K
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Vengeance LP
      • Storage:
      • 1TB WD Blue + 250GB 840 EVo
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 2* Palit GTX 970 Jetstream
      • PSU:
      • EVGA Supernova G2 850W
      • Case:
      • CM HAF Stacker 935, 2*360 Rad WC Loop w/EK blocks.
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8.1
      • Monitor(s):
      • Crossover 290HD & LG L1980Q
      • Internet:
      • 120mb Virgin Media

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    my diesel c class supposedly has 'twin' exhaust pipes. they're actually bits of chrome with nothing behind them, the actual exhaust is just stainless underneath bits.

    On the GTD it does have a trick exhaust that makes it sound pretty cool in a wish I had it when I was 17 kind of way. Don't know if the GTI also has it, but its largely cosmetic.

  7. #7
    Guy
    Guy is offline
    HEXUS.social member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Hampshire, UK
    Posts
    5,174
    Thanks
    404
    Thanked
    412 times in 296 posts

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    The new daily that's on order has dual pipes, but again criminally the second is just cosmetic! The petrol they're not just for show, it's diesel drinking brother however...

  8. #8
    HEXUS.Metal Knoxville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Down In A Hole
    Posts
    9,388
    Thanks
    484
    Thanked
    442 times in 255 posts
    • Knoxville's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Intel X58
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7 920
      • Memory:
      • 2GB DDR3
      • Storage:
      • 1TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ATi HD3450
      • PSU:
      • Generic
      • Case:
      • Cheap and nasty
      • Operating System:
      • Vista 64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" LG LCD
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 20mb

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    I would almost be inclined to allow it on a mk.4 R32. If I'm remembering the spec right and it was the V6 turbo'd fella anyway. If I'm not remembering rightly I agree, thoroughly unacceptable behaviour putting quad pipes on that Golf, or in fact any other Golf.

    I understand that anything with a turbo likes as little pressure from the exhaust system after the compressor as possible but what looks to be four two inch pipes is not only over kill in that regard but probably not the simplest, straightest path that an exhaust system could follow to the rear bumper, especially underneath a hatchback where space is at enough of a premium already.

    All things considered what it really seems to be doing is differentiating itself from a poor mans Golf by doing the automotive equivalent of stuffing a pair of socks down your boxers.

  9. #9
    Treasure Hunter extraordinaire herulach's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Bolton
    Posts
    5,618
    Thanks
    18
    Thanked
    172 times in 159 posts
    • herulach's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI Z97 MPower
      • CPU:
      • i7 4790K
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Vengeance LP
      • Storage:
      • 1TB WD Blue + 250GB 840 EVo
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 2* Palit GTX 970 Jetstream
      • PSU:
      • EVGA Supernova G2 850W
      • Case:
      • CM HAF Stacker 935, 2*360 Rad WC Loop w/EK blocks.
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8.1
      • Monitor(s):
      • Crossover 290HD & LG L1980Q
      • Internet:
      • 120mb Virgin Media

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxville View Post
    I would almost be inclined to allow it on a mk.4 R32. If I'm remembering the spec right and it was the V6 turbo'd fella anyway. If I'm not remembering rightly I agree, thoroughly unacceptable behaviour putting quad pipes on that Golf, or in fact any other Golf.

    I understand that anything with a turbo likes as little pressure from the exhaust system after the compressor as possible but what looks to be four two inch pipes is not only over kill in that regard but probably not the simplest, straightest path that an exhaust system could follow to the rear bumper, especially underneath a hatchback where space is at enough of a premium already.

    All things considered what it really seems to be doing is differentiating itself from a poor mans Golf by doing the automotive equivalent of stuffing a pair of socks down your boxers.

    They're purely cosmetic - its only 2" down to the backbox anyway.

  10. #10
    Oh Crumbs.... Biscuit's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Location
    N. Yorkshire
    Posts
    11,193
    Thanks
    1,394
    Thanked
    1,091 times in 833 posts
    • Biscuit's system
      • Motherboard:
      • MSI B450M Mortar
      • CPU:
      • AMD 2700X (Be Quiet! Dark Rock 3)
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Patriot Viper 2 @ 3466MHz
      • Storage:
      • 500GB WD Black
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Sapphire R9 290X Vapor-X
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic Focus Gold 750W
      • Case:
      • Lian Li PC-V359
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 x64
      • Internet:
      • BT Infinity 80/20

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Im with Knox, the twin central R32 (yes it was V6... well, a VR6) was the way to do things properly on a hot hatch. This is definitely more to do with peen values than anything else.

  11. #11
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    I gather there are regulations now on exhaust tip temperature limits, and I would love to think that this gives a technical reason to spread the gas across more pipes to ease pipe cooling.

    But then I look at it and think it is just pointless shiny stuff that will just cost twice as much to replace come back box rot time.

    This seemed to me to start when Diesels had DPF filters forced on them, and the early ones were bad enough at restricting the gas flow that a pair of them seemed like a good idea. Perhaps that gave rise to exhaust pipe envy from petrol car owners or something. I dunno, some people are just weird.

    Also, being a bit old, it looks rather 1970's to me

  12. #12
    Senior Member burble's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Olney
    Posts
    1,138
    Thanks
    8
    Thanked
    90 times in 89 posts

    re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxville View Post
    I would almost be inclined to allow it on a mk.4 R32. If I'm remembering the spec right and it was the V6 turbo'd fella anyway.
    It's normally aspirated, no turbo.

  13. Received thanks from:

    Knoxville (27-03-2015)

  14. #13
    HEXUS.social member finlay666's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Newcastle
    Posts
    8,546
    Thanks
    297
    Thanked
    894 times in 535 posts
    • finlay666's system
      • CPU:
      • 3570k
      • Memory:
      • 16gb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • 6950 2gb
      • Case:
      • Fractal R3
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8
      • Monitor(s):
      • U2713HM and V222H
      • Internet:
      • cable

    Re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy View Post
    The S3 has done the same as well. Personally think it looks ridiculous.
    Dual pipes are fine and can work well (Golf GTI/GTD, BMW M135i) but four on anything the wrong side of a V8 should be criminal.
    Glad I've only got 2 on mine with a 1.6l engine then

    The symmetrical pipes do look good, but I think there is something nice about a fat single pipe in the middle like on the Ibiza Cupra
    H3XU5 Social FAQ
    Quote Originally Posted by tiggerai View Post
    I do like a bit of hot crumpet

  15. #14
    HEXUS.Metal Knoxville's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Down In A Hole
    Posts
    9,388
    Thanks
    484
    Thanked
    442 times in 255 posts
    • Knoxville's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Intel X58
      • CPU:
      • Intel i7 920
      • Memory:
      • 2GB DDR3
      • Storage:
      • 1TB
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ATi HD3450
      • PSU:
      • Generic
      • Case:
      • Cheap and nasty
      • Operating System:
      • Vista 64
      • Monitor(s):
      • 24" LG LCD
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 20mb

    Re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by burble View Post
    It's normally aspirated, no turbo.
    Fair play, I must've had it confused with a different powerplant, every day's a school day when it comes to me and Volkswagens to be honest

    Just out of interest, because I've never actually thought to ask, does anyone know why a VR6 is called a VR6 and not just a V6. Is it a fancy piece of nomanclature, or does it have something to do with the actual layout of the engine ala the W12 for example?

  16. #15
    root Member DanceswithUnix's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    In the middle of a core dump
    Posts
    12,978
    Thanks
    778
    Thanked
    1,586 times in 1,341 posts
    • DanceswithUnix's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus X470-PRO
      • CPU:
      • 5900X
      • Memory:
      • 32GB 3200MHz ECC
      • Storage:
      • 2TB Linux, 2TB Games (Win 10)
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Asus Strix RX Vega 56
      • PSU:
      • 650W Corsair TX
      • Case:
      • Antec 300
      • Operating System:
      • Fedora 39 + Win 10 Pro 64 (yuk)
      • Monitor(s):
      • Benq XL2730Z 1440p + Iiyama 27" 1440p
      • Internet:
      • Zen 900Mb/900Mb (CityFibre FttP)

    Re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knoxville View Post
    Fair play, I must've had it confused with a different powerplant, every day's a school day when it comes to me and Volkswagens to be honest

    Just out of interest, because I've never actually thought to ask, does anyone know why a VR6 is called a VR6 and not just a V6. Is it a fancy piece of nomanclature, or does it have something to do with the actual layout of the engine ala the W12 for example?
    It means "inline V" after some translation from German: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VR6_engine

    They are a narrow V engine, I think VW are the only people who still make them which seems odd to me. Lancia and Ford did V4 engines back in the 60's and 70's, and in these days of small engine bays I would have thought being able to fit a 4 pot engine in the space of a 3 pot engine would be a win, but there you go.

  17. Received thanks from:

    Knoxville (27-03-2015)

  18. #16
    Banhammer in peace PeterB kalniel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    31,023
    Thanks
    1,870
    Thanked
    3,381 times in 2,718 posts
    • kalniel's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Ultra
      • CPU:
      • Intel i9 9900k
      • Memory:
      • 32GB DDR4 3200 CL16
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 970Evo+ NVMe
      • Graphics card(s):
      • nVidia GTX 1060 6GB
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic 600W
      • Case:
      • Cooler Master HAF 912
      • Operating System:
      • Win 10 Pro x64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2721DGF
      • Internet:
      • rubbish

    Re: Please explain: why does a Golf need quad tail pipes?

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    in these days of small engine bays I would have thought being able to fit a 4 pot engine in the space of a 3 pot engine would be a win, but there you go.
    My A3 doesn't know what to do with it's engine bay space - there's a big structure and this piddly little 1.4l engine floating in the middle - quite literally on struts to extend the mounting

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •