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    Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV


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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    At 28kWh it's got no more capacity than options currently on the market. The current Leaf for example has a battery capacity somewhere between 26 and 30kWh depending on exactly which figure Hyundai is quoting.

    Assuming the 174 miles is the broken NEDC test also used for official MPG figures then the comparable Leaf figure would be 155 miles.

    The Nissan Leaf averages around a 100 miles range over all drivers and journey types, so if the Hyundai is more efficient or has a slightly larger battery then expect maybe 110-120 miles average.

    You only have to look elsewhere in the world to confirm that, Wikipedia records that it's official figure is 105 miles in the South Korean tests and 110 miles in the US tests.

    The model 3 battery size hasn't been announced yet, but if it were a model S with that range it would have a 52kWh battery pack. Being smaller and lighter it'll probably be 45-50kWh.

    In short, either 'proper range' electric cars are already on the market or you'll still have to wait for them.

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    I get the feeling people underestimate the technology developments Tesla have made and the enormous investment done to get their Model S to where it is... Despite their patents being completely free for anyone to use I don't expect car manufacturers to catch up within the next 5 years.

    Having said that I am liking the Renault ZOE, going to go get a quote next week, should bring the cost per year of my vehicle down significantly... currently spending £300-£400 per month on servicing and petrol for my old Honda Jazz... Couldn't get rid of it soon enough to be honest.

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Kind of agree with the previous post - this doesn't really move things on all *that* much from the leaf and i3, already family sized (if a golf is family standard) pure EV cars. Where I think this will be a hit is the plug-in hybrid market currently dominated by only a few players.

    Interesting that they've gone natureally-aspirated for their high thermal efficiency. Would seem to be more to gain from using exhaust energy too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxvayl View Post
    Having said that I am liking the Renault ZOE, going to go get a quote next week, should bring the cost per year of my vehicle down significantly... currently spending £300-£400 per month on servicing and petrol for my old Honda Jazz... Couldn't get rid of it soon enough to be honest.
    Yikes.. what driving do you do?

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Absolutely, it looks like Tesla is going to miss (again!) their production targets.

    It's one thing to make a thousand of something, quite another to churn out 80 thousand.
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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Kind of agree with the previous post - this doesn't really move things on all *that* much from the leaf and i3, already family sized (if a golf is family standard) pure EV cars. Where I think this will be a hit is the plug-in hybrid market currently dominated by only a few players.

    Interesting that they've gone natureally-aspirated for their high thermal efficiency. Would seem to be more to gain from using exhaust energy too.

    Yikes.. what driving do you do?
    Commuting to work... petrol is around £180 a month alone. It is old now, so I've had to pay £1000 for the last MOT due to a hole in my exhaust and rusted break fluid pipes which makes things worse.

    Still, the servicing requirements of EVs is significantly lower than combustion engines so I expect the ZOE to last longer than 10 years... well worth the investment for a small run around.

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Quote Originally Posted by Noxvayl View Post
    Commuting to work... petrol is around £180 a month alone. It is old now, so I've had to pay £1000 for the last MOT due to a hole in my exhaust and rusted break fluid pipes which makes things worse.

    Still, the servicing requirements of EVs is significantly lower than combustion engines so I expect the ZOE to last longer than 10 years... well worth the investment for a small run around.
    Yeah I'd be changing ASAP. Hop into a fiesta econetic or something in the meantime until prices come down perhaps. They're cheap as chips and get ridiculous MPG.

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Yeah I'd be changing ASAP. Hop into a fiesta econetic or something in the meantime until prices come down perhaps. They're cheap as chips and get ridiculous MPG.
    That is the idea, I'm liking the £6000 pound deposit contribution on the ZOE though. That and the £4500 grant from the government makes it less than £100 per month for the car and then only £55 for renting the battery, which I'd rather not own to be honest. Electricty being roughly 5p per equivalent litre of petrol is also a massive pull for me, I'll be reducing my commute significantly in September (back at uni for my last year).

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    Assuming the 174 miles is the broken NEDC test also used for official MPG figures then the comparable Leaf figure would be 155 miles.
    I didn't realise how broken NEDC is. 6.2 miles per kWh is... not happening on any planet.

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    Re: Hyundai to beat Tesla to an affordable proper-range family-sized EV

    Quote Originally Posted by directhex View Post
    I didn't realise how broken NEDC is. 6.2 miles per kWh is... not happening on any planet.
    It's even further broken than that. It gives the Ionic a 174 mile range... but a 11.5kWh/100km (5.4m/kWh) fuel efficiency.

    The range is tested separately, I believe it's run at a constant speed for 100km and the range is calculated from the electricity consumption.

    Still, at least Brexit should have one positive consequence.

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