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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Just tried and you are too new to have pm privileges.

    Tested Zaward Vapor against Gelid Tranquillo and Noctua NH-U12P using Zaward, Gelid and Noctua fans on an Athlon II X4 620 @ 3.5GHz (2.6GHz stock). Gelid fan might be slightly better/quieter, but only 1c cooler. Ended up using single Zaward fan PWM: 33c idle and 45c stress testing.

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Zaward Vapor is one of best coolers

    Edit: Gelid Tranquillo overall was 1c higher temp under load.. not much difference
    Last edited by doyll49; 16-04-2012 at 02:07 PM.

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    http://www.overclockersclub.com/revi...cnps9900/4.htm

    http://www.guru3d.com/article/zalman...0-max-review/7

    It's a very good cooler. Not extremely silent though. You can check out reviews on various websites. Most of them have comparison tables and test with Sandy Bridge or Sandy Bridge-E, so you can see what your temps will be like (probably lower though for Ivy Bridge).

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    well you guys have given me some good options to consider, here's the list as it stands and I'm trying to make a pro/con comparison list to weigh them up - looking at performance, silence, fan options/control, fan placement, size/clearance, price, etc. I have also provided some initial thoughts on the ones I have been able to investigate which might be useful for someone else looking for coolers:

    AC Freezer Pro 13 Pro/i30 (initial thoughts: the fan appears to be moulded to only face in a push direction which would not be ideal should the fan need to be located to the rear of the case)
    Coolermaster Hyper 212
    Noctua NH D14/NH-U12P (initial thoughts: high performance/high price - it really likes to spread its legs and doesn't give much room for maneuverability inside the case but when it does so it has an almost untouchable performance - central fan could be used alone to reduce its footprint)
    Zaward Vapor (initial thoughts: nice narrow design might allow a push/pull fan config with an additional fan - price is nice and dimpled heatsink and fan seem to provide good performance)
    NZXT Havik 120/140
    Thermalright HR-02
    Zalman CNPS9900 (initial thoughts: gives plenty of room around it so things like adding extra RAM, etc. won't be hindered, reviews show it might be a tad on the noisy side)
    Gelid Tranquillo (initial thoughts: reviews seem to praise its quietness and competitive price, also uses similar dimpled surface to - appears to only have mounts for one fan so no expandability but may not be required)

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Good bit of deduction.

    IMHO NH-D14 is just too big:

    NH-D14:
    Heatsink & Fan Dim: 161x140x156mm - 25mm frt fan = 126 / 2 = 63.5mm centerline to front of cooler; one fan used.
    high fan speed 14.5c @ 150w 8.7c @ 85w 48.1dBA
    low fan speed 17.0c @ 150w 10.3c @ 85w 30.8dBA

    Gelid Tranquillo:
    Heatsink & Fan Dim: 153x125x99mm - 25mm fan = 74 / 2 = 37 + 25 = 65mm centerline to front of fan; only one fan mount.
    high fan speed 22.4c @ 150w 13.9c @ 85w 41.3dBA
    low fan speed 30.2C @ 150w 16.5c @ 85w 32.2

    Zaward Vapor:
    Heatsink & Fan Dim: 159x120x75mm - 25mm frt fan = 50 / 2 = 25 + 25 = 50mm centerline to front of fan; with 2 fans 100mm total depth.
    high fan speed 15.6c @ 150w 9.7c @ 85w 51.6dBA
    low fan speed 33.9C @ 150w 20.1c @ 85w 28.5
    Comes with 2nd set of fan clips; fan is PWM; put on 2nd fan
    Yes, louder at full cooling speed, but how often will your CPU be running at more then 50%?

    NH-U12P:
    Heatsink & Fan Dim: 149x126x94mm -25mm fan = 69 / 2 = 35 +25 fan = 60mm centerline to front of fan
    high fan speed 21.3c @ 150w 13.4c @ 85w 40.7dBA
    low fab speed 25.3C @ 150w 14.9c @ 85w 32.1

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Zalman CNPS9900 is good cooler with lots of bells and whistles (light, round, custom fan, cool looking) and could build a shroud/duct for it too. But what happens if fan acts up?

    I always try to apply the KISS principle to things.... Keep It Simple S***** not that you are LOL

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Just a thought:
    TJ08-E 210mm(W) x 374mm(H) x 385mm(D
    Fractal Design Define Mini Case size (WxHxD): 210x395x490mm
    http://www.silentpcreview.com/fractal-define-mini

    19mm higher and 95mm deeper, but much more versatile inside.

    Am using Define R2 as already had full size motherboard. Intake = 2x 120mm front + 1x 140mm bottom. Exhaust = 1x 120mm fan back with 140mm HSF ducted out top. Define Mini can be configured the same way.
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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Sorry to add one more to the list, but if silence is what you're looking for here's another one:

    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/be-qu...intel-amd-cpus

    It's a good performer, and apparently it's very quiet (all be quiet! products are). Check out a review here: http://www.kitguru.net/components/co...r1-cpu-cooler/

    Now what you have to bear in mind is that your case will only allow you to install a micro atx board. Now that will limit the amount of overclocking you will be able to do(unless you go for an ROG board), so extreme cooling performance wouldn't benefit you too much. If I were you, I'd focus on silence and a decent price, and invest more in things that will make a difference, like a larger/better SSD, or a better/cooler/more silent graphics card.

    60 degrees load temperature on a moderately priced cooler vs 55 degrees on a high performance cooler is not something you will notice, or will affect your experience in any way, given the ceiling you motherboard will impose. As enthusiastic as we all are around here, you do have to be realistic and weigh in the benefits and the costs, and look at the whole picture

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    I have not ordered my TJ08-E yet but this is what I am going to use to cool it:

    thermalright hr-02 macho




    As the guy above my plan is to not use any other fans and let the big AP181 penetrator do the donkey work.

    Will let you know how it goes!!!

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Hey guys, some great advice. I've ruled out the NH-D14 - just to big as you rightly say. Also good point about the Zalman - if looks were the only consideration then I think it would win but since my case has no window that is a non-issue plus very good point about the fan being fixed.

    As for the FD Define Mini, I can confirm I've looked at that case and probably 50 others It was a big contender mainly on size and price but there are a couple of things that ruled it out. They are mainly to do with space and layout - the first is the height and the fact that this case will be sitting below a shelf which means I might be able to squeeze my finger in to press the on button but I wouldn't have enough clearance to use the audio/usb ports - the TJ08-E has them placed on the front. Secondly it has a door design and I will have something in front of the case which will prevent me opening the door, now I could remove the door but then I lose the clean aesthetic it creates. Internally the case is very nice, lots of holes for cables, etc. and the acoustic padding is an amazing feature. Thank you for the suggestion though, this case was mentioned a lot and receives a lot of praise but in my scenerio it doesn't quite meet my needs.

    This is my first time opting for a mATX board so I wasn't aware that they had such limitations in overclocking - I just assumed two equivalent boards, one ATX one mATX, would perform the same. I thought it came down to things like 4pin/8pin aux power and the number of power phases? Nonetheless, I will be attempting overclocking but I'm big on stability so perhaps the limitations of my chosen motherboard won't play a factor. Therefore, whilst performance will be important, perhaps silence is the main thing I should worry about over a few degrees.

    Interestingly a couple of the coolers you have recommended are on offers atm - the Gelid Tranquillo at £24 and the NZXT Havik 140 at £55 plus I can get a 10% discount on both. Obviously with one being more than twice the price of the other would the Havik provide performance and silence worthy of that extra cost, especially considering what you have said about managing my OCing expectations with this form factor?

    On a side note, you both appear to be fairly knowledgable about cooling so I wonder if you can weigh in on the array of fan designs available nowadays - I'm seeing lots of variation from what I'm familiar with in terms of lots of blades, S-shaped blades, ridges on the blades (as on the be quiet model linked to and seen on noctua fans), dimples on the blade surfaces, etc. Which of these features, if any, are important for improved airflow and acoustic performance - i.e. what sort of designs should I be keeping an eye out for and do they have differing purposes - some suitable for HSF some for case fans? In addition in terms of my CPU fan, my current one uses an adjustable dial which I have set (and left) for medium RPM, for this build should I be looking for a cooler with a PWM fan?

    EDIT: Butuz great news, would love to hear your thoughts. When does your case arrive and what CPU are you going to be cooling? GL with the build Just noticed that heatsink is being used passively with 2 6990s? :0
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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    @ butuz
    I don't think you will achieve much success with that. The heatsink on that cooler is very thick, so it needs quite a lot of static pressure, which the 180mm fan in the front just won't provide from that distance. And you don't have any exhaust, which is even worse.
    Consider putting the stock fan in the front of the cooler, and run in on PWM mode from the CPU fan header. It's super quite like this !

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Most coolers have fans with PWM control. This way, the fan runs on low when the cpu doesn't get hot so you're not wasting airflow(and generating noise) when you're not needing it.

    All manufacturers have various technical gimmicks they use, with more or less evident results, and all test differently. It's best to look out for reviews both on youtube and online, and see what people actually hear and see from the fans on the coolers.

    A general rule of thumb would be that more RPM=more noise. So you would be best looking at coolers with fans that don't go over 1500-1700 rpm in full blow mode, yet achieve airflow levels over 50CFM and (claimed!) noise levels below 30 dbA or so.

    £50 for an NZXT Havik 140 is a very good deal, as it's in top 5 best performing air coolers on the market now. Because it has 2 fans, it won't need to speed up too much. Again, I personally think that for your future setup, it will be overkill

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Mark, a mate of mine did these tests:

    Zaward Vapor 120 33c/34c max fan kinda loud
    PWM 41c @ 800rpm fan very quiet

    Gelid Tranquillo 34c/36c max

    Zaward Vapor w/ Gelid fan 33c/34c max fan faster but quiter then Zaward


    Mark: Zaward is more industrial setup. Mounting has no springs. Need to tighten by feel.
    Zaward pushes more air at 12v.

    switch Zaward fan to Gelid fan on Zaward cooler

    Mark: Think Gelid fan is higher quality or something. Seems to run faster but noise is lower


    Athlon II X4 620 stock @ 2.6GHz
    Gelid HSF w/Gelid Fan @ 12v = 34c average 36c max
    Zaward HSF w/Gelid Fan @ 12v = 33c average 34c max
    Zaward HSF w/Zaward Fan @ 12v = 33c average 34c max
    Zaward HSF w/Zaward Fan @ PWM = 800rpm @ 41c max


    620 @ 3.12GHz PWM ? rpm @ 43c max
    @ 3.25GHz PWM ? rpm @ 45c max
    @ 3.38GHz PWM ? rpm @ 46c max
    @ 3.5GHz PWM 600-1400rpm @ 46c max

    All tests were on Athlon II X4 620 which specs at 95w TDP

    Zaward Vapor 120 and Gelid Tranquillo are almost identical in performance. Gelid sets 25mm closer to HDD because radiator is 75mm thick and Zaward is 50mm.

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Butuz's pic of Thermalright HR-02 is interesting... heat sink pad centerline is 25mm from front and 75mm from back of 100mm thick radiator. Width of radiator is 140 or 70mm each side of centerline.

    Notice how close front of radiator is to HDD. Not much room for fan cooling.

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Mark, a mate of mine did these tests:

    Zaward Vapor 120 33c/34c max fan kinda loud
    PWM 41c @ 800rpm fan very quiet

    Gelid Tranquillo 34c/36c max

    Zaward Vapor w/ Gelid fan 33c/34c max fan faster but quiter then Zaward


    Mark: Zaward is more industrial setup. Mounting has no springs. Need to tighten by feel.
    Zaward pushes more air at 12v.

    switch Zaward fan to Gelid fan on Zaward cooler

    Mark: Think Gelid fan is higher quality or something. Seems to run faster but noise is lower


    Athlon II X4 620 stock @ 2.6GHz
    Gelid HSF w/Gelid Fan @ 12v = 34c average 36c max
    Zaward HSF w/Gelid Fan @ 12v = 33c average 34c max
    Zaward HSF w/Zaward Fan @ 12v = 33c average 34c max
    Zaward HSF w/Zaward Fan @ PWM = 800rpm @ 41c max


    620 @ 3.12GHz PWM ? rpm @ 43c max
    @ 3.25GHz PWM ? rpm @ 45c max
    @ 3.38GHz PWM ? rpm @ 46c max
    @ 3.5GHz PWM 600-1400rpm @ 46c max

    All tests were on Athlon II X4 620 while running stress testing so 100% CPU usage. For reference 620 specs at 95w TDP

    Zaward Vapor 120 and Gelid Tranquillo are almost identical in performance. Gelid sets 13mm closer to HDD because radiator is 75mm thick versus Zaward 50mm.

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    Re: Best cooling option for Silverstone TJ08E

    Quote Originally Posted by ghost_florian View Post
    Most coolers have fans with PWM control. This way, the fan runs on low when the cpu doesn't get hot so you're not wasting airflow(and generating noise) when you're not needing it.
    Sorry, but have to nit-pick a little.
    Most coolers have fans with speed control, but a lot of them are 3 pin voltage controlled, not 4 pin PWM (Pulse-Width Modulation) controlled. ;p)
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