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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Having gone from a Noctua NDH14 to a Thermaltake Water 2.0 extreme, I can't really say there's much difference, however the Noctua was quieter, and more reactive to heat spikes...but overall the closed loop makes me happier - mainly because its less hassle to clean!

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    The easiest way to start with watercooling is buy one of the closed loop kits (e.g. corsair H50) for the CPU, then buy a small 2nd loop to put on the graphics card. Which would be: a pump/reservoir combo, a universal GPU block (much cheaper, just as good and transferable to other cards), some ram sinks for the vram, some tubing and clamps and a large slow spinning fan to blow air through the case.

    This way it's much easier to maintain and fix if something goes wrong. Once you know what your doing move on to a more complex full system setup

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

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    Haswell i5-4670K with passive cooling at Auto core voltage and 4Ghz can stay under 55°C even under long term load (4h at Prime95). With good case cooling. And Thor's Hammer. Can't get more quiet then that.
    Really??! That seems amazing!

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Well, 4Ghz is not the world, lets admin that. I am sure you could run a i5-4670 even cooler at full load while being passive (even if only at 3.8Ghz Turbo).

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    On the other hand, not sure if it makes a difference, the test was done with one DDR3 module running at 1066Mhz...

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Haswell i5-4670K with passive cooling at Auto core voltage and 4Ghz can stay under 55°C even under long term load (4h at Prime95). With good case cooling. And Thor's Hammer. Can't get more quiet then that.
    So, you live in a tent in Antarctica?

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Hah. Hardly. Does it seems really that unbelievable? I can assure you that's what happened.

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Anybody with a Haswell could support the fact that the temperatures are different with one and two modules? Just asking.

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    Hah. Hardly. Does it seems really that unbelievable?
    Well, considering the reports that some chips were only clocking up to 4.2GHz before hitting TJ Max on a Corsair H100i, it seems very unlikely. Have you de-lidded it?

    I know most Haswells are hitting 4.6 to 4.8GHz with adequate cooling, but they all run very hot. You must have an absolutely huge passive heatsink with high airflow in your chassis, because I would expect a 4670K at stock clocks to surpass 55 degrees on the reference cooler when fully loaded.

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Will do my best by asking the owner to take the PC somwhere where I can test & validate for you.
    The Thor's Hammer is a BIG heatsing but I am sure there are bigger around.
    The case cooling is standard issue Fractal Design ARC MIDI R2 140mm case fans always on 12V under load but even so they are not loud.
    And the heatsink is cooled by 2 x 120mm fans push-pull in parallel connection.
    So nothing earth shattering.
    If people posted hitting Tj Max with with a Corsair H100i, they have issues (personal, mental or technical) or simply they wanted a oven instead of a operating CPU.

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Hitting TJ Max @ 4.2Ghz thats it.
    I had 4.3Ghz with one fan at 12v under 65ish.

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    liquid cooling have a water 2.0 pro and i7 920 oced to 4.1ghz remains under 75C on full load

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

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    liquid cooling have a water 2.0 pro and i7 920 oced to 4.1ghz remains under 75C on full load
    That's a bit warm for 4.1GHz. Does it have a really high VID, or is the vcore on auto volts?

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonebreaker777 View Post
    If people posted hitting Tj Max with with a Corsair H100i, they have issues (personal, mental or technical) or simply they wanted a oven instead of a operating CPU.
    No, these were early reports from Tech Journalists and system builders.

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Thing is, lots of case fans and a Thor's Hammer isn't really passive cooling. It won't work perfectly with every heatsink, and it depends on the exact orientation of the heatsink, the spacing between the fins, and direction of case airflow etc. but it's quite possible to use good case airflow to remove the need for a fan on the heatsink...

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    Re: Air cooling vs Water cooling

    Well, pure passive cooling is relaying only on the air circulation of the surrounding environment, so very few fully fledged towers/desktops are passive.
    On the other hand any CPU/GPU cooler sold without a FAN is advertised as a passive even if the instructions recommend decent case cooling.
    I have a nearly passive system only blessed by 3x 120mm FANs at 800-900 RPM each.
    Does 3x FANs count a "lots"? :-P

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