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    PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    I had a 1st Gen iPod Nano (white, 4GB) and decided in November to send this away for the free battery replacement programme. Unfortunately, it appears the Post Office have managed to lose my iPod, so I'm going to have to use their claims process.

    My problem is that I've got to provide evidence of value, so I figure I either:
    1. Send them a printout showing the price of a second hand version of that model;
    2. Send them a printout of the one page on Amazon that shows the price for a new unit of that model;
    3. Give them a print out of the price of the lowest cost iPod Nano available at the moment

    I figure #1 is probably the most "honest", and I like the idea of #3 - since it's effectively an "as like" new-for-old. Has anyone else been through this claims process and got any advice?

    As an aside, #2 would be great too, but I figure I can't be that lucky, since the quoted price on AmazonUS for a new 1st Gen Nano is US$499!!
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    I'd give them printouts from apple store, amazon and one other large retailer and let them decide.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    How did you send it? Im pretty sure you are limited to a certain value for different kinds of postage.

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Biscuit View Post
    How did you send it? Im pretty sure you are limited to a certain value for different kinds of postage.
    Argh - I just spotted the small print - "This compensation is subject to the maximum payable being the lower of the market value of the time and statutory maximum of 100x1st Class stamps at the first weight step". In other words, the maximum I can get is £46.

    Apple sent me a pre-paid envelope and I didn't think at the time (and wasn't asked) whether I wanted the "enhanced compensation" surcharge applied.


    Dammit, dammit, dammit ... that's not even half what it'll cost to replace it.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    Argh - I just spotted the small print - "This compensation is subject to the maximum payable being the lower of the market value of the time and statutory maximum of 100x1st Class stamps at the first weight step". In other words, the maximum I can get is £46.

    Apple sent me a pre-paid envelope and I didn't think at the time (and wasn't asked) whether I wanted the "enhanced compensation" surcharge applied.


    Dammit, dammit, dammit ... that's not even half what it'll cost to replace it.
    Blame Apple then for not sending you the right postage. See if they will cough up? You never know until you ask. Ask nicely see what happens.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    I had a 1st Gen iPod Nano (white, 4GB) and decided in November to send this away for the free battery replacement programme. Unfortunately, it appears the Post Office have managed to lose my iPod, so I'm going to have to use their claims process.

    My problem is that I've got to provide evidence of value, so I figure I either:
    1. Send them a printout showing the price of a second hand version of that model;
    2. Send them a printout of the one page on Amazon that shows the price for a new unit of that model;
    3. Give them a print out of the price of the lowest cost iPod Nano available at the moment

    I figure #1 is probably the most "honest", and I like the idea of #3 - since it's effectively an "as like" new-for-old. Has anyone else been through this claims process and got any advice?

    As an aside, #2 would be great too, but I figure I can't be that lucky, since the quoted price on AmazonUS for a new 1st Gen Nano is US$499!!
    When did it get lost? From you to Apple or from Apple to you? Did you use tracking/insurance?

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by Berties123 View Post
    When did it get lost? From you to Apple or from Apple to you? Did you use tracking/insurance?
    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    Argh - I just spotted the small print - "This compensation is subject to the maximum payable being the lower of the market value of the time and statutory maximum of 100x1st Class stamps at the first weight step". In other words, the maximum I can get is £46.

    Apple sent me a pre-paid envelope and I didn't think at the time (and wasn't asked) whether I wanted the "enhanced compensation" surcharge applied.


    Dammit, dammit, dammit ... that's not even half what it'll cost to replace it.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    That's why it's worth using Special Delivery sometimes. Most firms aren't interested in insuring customers' postage, not worth it to them.

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    I had a 1st Gen iPod Nano (white, 4GB) and decided in November to send this away for the free battery replacement programme. Unfortunately, it appears the Post Office have managed to lose my iPod, so I'm going to have to use their claims process.

    My problem is that I've got to provide evidence of value, so I figure I either:
    1. Send them a printout showing the price of a second hand version of that model;
    2. Send them a printout of the one page on Amazon that shows the price for a new unit of that model;
    3. Give them a print out of the price of the lowest cost iPod Nano available at the moment

    I figure #1 is probably the most "honest", and I like the idea of #3 - since it's effectively an "as like" new-for-old. Has anyone else been through this claims process and got any advice?

    As an aside, #2 would be great too, but I figure I can't be that lucky, since the quoted price on AmazonUS for a new 1st Gen Nano is US$499!!
    I sent my Nano 2nd gen away before Xmas, but Apple provided a free UPS envelope which was prepaid, and collected. Surprised you had to send via Royal Mail

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by honeymonster12 View Post
    I sent my Nano 2nd gen away before Xmas, but Apple provided a free UPS envelope which was prepaid, and collected. Surprised you had to send via Royal Mail
    Apple sent me a pre-addressed Jiffy bag, so it was merely a case of putting the iPod into the bag and handing it into the local post office.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    did you get proof of posting?

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    ^^ without even proof of posting you can claim nothing.

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by petercook7 View Post
    did you get proof of posting?
    Yes, Apple's instructions insisted on it - so like an idiot I just "followed process".

    I ... should ... have ... paid ... extra ... for ... insurance.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Same thing happened to me years ago with an iPod Mini, never made the same mistake again, but did get the company that were supposed to be repairing it to give me a 20 gig iPod as a replacement.

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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by blueball View Post
    Blame Apple then for not sending you the right postage. See if they will cough up? You never know until you ask. Ask nicely see what happens.
    What's the best way to approach Apple about that? I figure that they'll just tell me to go bug Royal Mail, but if there's a chance of, for example, being able to get a new Nano between Apple and RM, then it's definitely worth a go.

    I'm really quite annoyed about this - especially as I thought about extra insurance at the time - plus I'd really looked after my wee Nano.
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    Re: PostOffice lost my iPod - how much to claim?

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    What's the best way to approach Apple about that? I figure that they'll just tell me to go bug Royal Mail, but if there's a chance of, for example, being able to get a new Nano between Apple and RM, then it's definitely worth a go.

    I'm really quite annoyed about this - especially as I thought about extra insurance at the time - plus I'd really looked after my wee Nano.
    Usually I find the best approach to be finding the official complaints address, whether that's email or post. You could try ringing up first if you want to, but I probably wouldn't bother.

    Whatever firm it is, and however useless their employees are, the complaints staff are usually on the ball and will actually reply by letter to explain what they understand to be the problem and how they're going to resolve it.

    I've probably got about £140-ish from complaints in the past, obviously all of which were legitimate. And I've had £20 of charges refunded on an account as well. As long as you're calm and very clear about what the problem is, I've always found them to be very accommodating and helpful. Probably because it's their job to try and placate people, but as long as you feel placated then what does it matter!

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