John Lewis using downloaded movie rips to show off their macs

[MadduckUK]

destroying evidence!

[moogle]

Originally Posted by Paulm@scan

Someone should photoshop the 3rd picture to read

More Fun, more Piracy. more MAC I would but I am poor at Photoshop.

I would submit it and get some free vouchers tell them you will inform MAC

Not my best but if you didn't know it you wouldn't realize.

[MadduckUK]

Originally Posted by moogle

Not my best but if you didn't know it you wouldn't realize.

subtle.. i like

[themaidenmaniac]

hahaha quality.. I think i might pop up for a viewing

[Gordy]

Originally Posted by Saracen

Apparently, these files have already been noticed and deleted.

Already in this case meaning as soon as we were told...

[Nickg]

is it illegal to delete the evidence to a potential crime?

thankfully i doubt they have burnt the HDD's so therefore anyone with some deep recovery tools would be able to prove their existance on this machinery...

[PD HEXUS]

Originally Posted by Saracen

John Lewis has as straight-laced an attitude as any company I've ever come across and I doubt for an instant that they'd knowingly do this, or condone it being done.

yep

cheers,

PD

[Lucio]

Originally Posted by Saracen

Apparently, these files have already been noticed and deleted.

Probably because someone contacted their customer service team and asked if they could have the Apple Mac that was on display because they believed it was worth £10,000 to FACT

[Andrzej]

Originally Posted by Nickg

...is it illegal to delete the evidence to a potential crime?...

OMG now THAT is an interesting point !

If I hit a car, then I am bound to report it etc

Any legal experts here can tell us what the situation is for companies like JL ?

I know in the USofA, you'd be required to do full disclosure on this because of the SOX-OXLEY rules etc that came in after Enron

Any thoughts ?

[Gordy]

I doubt they have deleted them properly, I suspect they are still sat in the trash can or a quick disc recovery tool could find them.

[noTHINGface]

I don't think anyone thought that they intentionally did this. It was just an embarrassing cock up that was a nice spot by Gordy... Made my day anyway - I was amused by this.

[this_is_gav]

Yeah, it's hardly burning at the stake stuff. That said some prepubescent will have their work experience terminated rather quickly, and rightly so.

Still, it's funny.

[Saracen]

Originally Posted by Gordy

Already in this case meaning as soon as we were told...

Probably, yes. If they didn't know they were there, it's hard to delete them before they were told.

Did you mention it to store staff when you saw it, Gordy? Or maybe they saw you taking pictures and wondered why, and found it.

Originally Posted by Nickg

is it illegal to delete the evidence to a potential crime?

thankfully i doubt they have burnt the HDD's so therefore anyone with some deep recovery tools would be able to prove their existance on this machinery...

Given that knowingly using illegal copies would probably be criminal, it's hard to argue that they've got to leave the files there, and so commit a crime, in order to avoid deleting evidence.

And anyway, what crime? Unless it can be shown that they were put there deliberately by JL, I can see that it is a crime. Bear in mind that most crimes, excepting strict liability things like drink driving and speeding, require 'intent'. It's the "mens rea" element of most offences.

Anyway, it's all a bit silly anyway, since JL is not the type of company to do this deliberately, or to tolerate it if they knew of it. Nobody, in my opinion, be it the criminal authorities or the rights owner, is really going to be in the slightest but interested, especially if the offending material has been removed.

Originally Posted by Lucio

Probably because someone contacted their customer service team and asked if they could have the Apple Mac that was on display because they believed it was worth £10,000 to FACT

Or because I contacted their customer service manager, who immediately went to see the department management about it.

I have a lot of time for John Lewis. I've dealt with them a lot, and have had exceptional service from them. We can all have a bit of fun with them and the embarrassment potential of this when there's a goof like this, but at a more serious level, the best thing for both JL and the owners of the IP rights is to get the offending material removed. It has been, I'm assured, and has been raised both with senior branch management and head office.

[Kumagoro]

If they knew which person did it they probably sacked them for gross misconduct.

[steve threlfall]

Yes, someone should lose their job for this horrific crime. I can hardly contain my disgust

[Gordy]

Originally Posted by Saracen

Probably, yes. If they didn't know they were there, it's hard to delete them before they were told.

Did you mention it to store staff when you saw it, Gordy? Or maybe they saw you taking pictures and wondered why, and found it.

I didn't mention it as I was in a hurry, I just took 4 pics and carried on through. There was no staff nearby so I doubt they noticed me taking pictures. It was on my mobile so it was a bit more subtle that getting out an SLR too

I'm surprised that John Lewis haven't tried to ask when I took the pictures , because they weren't taken too recently.

I wonder if a message has been sent to other stores to check all machines as well. I had half a mind to go back up and see what was going on, but I've been out most of the day.