John Lewis using downloaded movie rips to show off their macs

[Lucio]

Originally Posted by Saracen

Or because I contacted their customer service manager, who immediately went to see the department management about it.

Awww! You're far too straight faced at times Saracen

[subucni]

How did i manage to miss this thread? haha

First off, great find gordy.


However there is absolutely no way JL would have condoned this, and their response will be the same as any big company that finds anything "wrong" happening within one of their stores. They'll just send and email around to all stores explicitly forbidding the "wrong" thing and that if anyone is found doing it, it will be classed as gross misconduct and they'll face the sack with possible prosecution (depending on how bad it is). This way they can prove they had forbid it and if any problems/legal issues came of it, they could show that it was against company policy to reduce their accountability. Obviously they would also contact the specific store manager incharge and give them a ticking off and find out who was responsible and decide what they want to do to them.

I'm not going to get into what disney/buena vista will probably have to say about it, as you could get quite indepth on that and they probably wont care that much as long as JL promise it wont happen again.



What intrigues me (and someone mentioned it a little earlier) is what the Video Standards Council and Trading Standards would make of it, given that Pirates 2 has a BBFC rating of 12 and if they were showing it before 7pm they were technically breaking the Video Recordings Act, unless of course it was an edited demo copy of the film/trailer version that had been issued a PG BBFC rating (just like how you get trailers in the cinema for 18 horror films but it says the trailer is rated 15 etc... However we already know this is not the case as it's a pirated copy of the film, and i'm going to go out on a limb here and put my money on that axxo wont have submitted it to the BBFC and had it given a lower rating

If it was taken any further there would almost certainly be more of the earlier mentioned emails coming out of the JL head office as they'd have to prove their VSC/VRA training is adequate and often refreshed, then likewise the store managers would have to prove they had passed this training on to the staff properly. And lastly the member of staff that put it on (assuming it wasnt the mananger) would have to give their excuses for not following the training if they were given it.



So the big question is, What time did you take the pics Gordy? and if it was before 7pm who's got the number for Trading Standards? just kidding



Bres

[Gordy]

Bres it was the middle of the day.

[subucni]

Interesting, the plot thickens

[CMC]

it obviously some employee has done it, to add some 'life' to the display, no doubt he is now or soon will be a former employee...

[Parm]

The article has now been updated with an official response from John Lewis.

[TheAnimus]

oh such sweet warming words.

I'm amazed lawyers are ever able to chat someone up.

[HEXUS]

Following our recent coverage of an illegal movie being played on an Apple iMac at a John Lewis store, a John Lewis representative states the company is thankful that the matter was brought to its attention.

Read more.

[MadduckUK]

anyone else thinking it would have been better to have kept quiet about this, found some more instances of it happening then broke the news on all of them at once?

[Nickg]

"This incident is not reflective of our policy and we take very seriously the copyright laws and would not intentionally break any of these rules or regulations."

same with me and my housemates, as soon as we get caught we will implement a no priacy policy LOL..."but officer, we didnt know it was illegal, the file never said that the owner did not own the distribution/ copyright on it...we will employ a policy to double check before downloading anything else!

do you think that would be sufficient to get me off the hook?

[badass]

Originally Posted by Kumagoro

If they knew which person did it they probably sacked them for gross misconduct.

Then get taken to an employment tribuneral for unfair dismissal

[Gordy]

Originally Posted by Nickg

"This incident is not reflective of our policy and we take very seriously the copyright laws and would not intentionally break any of these rules or regulations."

same with me and my housemates, as soon as we get caught we will implement a no priacy policy LOL..."but officer, we didnt know it was illegal, the file never said that the owner did not own the distribution/ copyright on it...we will employ a policy to double check before downloading anything else!

do you think that would be sufficient to get me off the hook?

Some how I think that wouldn't work for you hehe.

Thank you for bringing this matter to our attention. We have fully investigated the incident and the shop has removed and destroyed the clip. We have also taken the necessary steps to ensure that the replication and publication of pirate material in any form does not take place in our shops. This incident is not reflective of our policy and we take very seriously the copyright laws and would not intentionally break any of these rules or regulations."

Interesting response, pretty much what I thought they'd say. I find it slightly surprising they only mention the one shop, not the whole chain. You'd think they'd be covering their bases and checking all of the stores they run. Maybe they have just didn't mention it?

[Saracen]

Originally Posted by Nickg

.....

same with me and my housemates, as soon as we get caught we will implement a no priacy policy LOL..."but officer, we didnt know it was illegal, the file never said that the owner did not own the distribution/ copyright on it...we will employ a policy to double check before downloading anything else!

do you think that would be sufficient to get me off the hook?

Well, you and your housemates aren't a business, so those sections of the Copyright Act that would make this a criminal matter, and therefore of interest to the "officer" don't apply to you as they do to JL. But by that same token, those sections of the Copyright law require that you knew, or had reason to believe, the copy/copies in question were illegal.

So in brief, yes, if your claim to know nothing about it being illegal was credible and believed (and if you were in business), it would work for you too. But if there's a single file on your machine that's illegal, your claim would have a lot more credibility that if there were hundreds or thousands.

Ignorance of the law is not an excuse, but in most situations, a lack of intent to commit the offence is.

[Saracen]

Originally Posted by Gordy

...... I find it slightly surprising they only mention the one shop, not the whole chain. You'd think they'd be covering their bases and checking all of the stores they run. Maybe they have just didn't mention it?

Erm .....

We have also taken the necessary steps to ensure that the replication and publication of pirate material in any form does not take place in our shops.

Plural. Suggests the reaction is chain-wide to me.

[Gordy]

Originally Posted by Saracen

Erm .....


Plural. Suggests the reaction is chain-wide to me.

Doh Mis read from gord thar!

[Tobeman]

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