Net firms in music pirates deal

[M0nkeyb0Y]

Originally Posted by IBM

Got to love the lost revenue statistics. You can just imagine some bleeding twit thinking that everyone that downloaded a film or album would have gone to the cinema or bought the album if they'd hadn't been able to get it online.

lol - Exceptionally naive - or deliberately ignorant.

Nice to see the government spending time, money and energy into harassing the people it serves and becoming a royalty collector for a private industry.

Piracy is wrong, something has to happen, this ain't it.

[Blackmage]

I'm sure stats showed that the music people download, they wouldn't buy in a shop?

[kalniel]

Originally Posted by TheAnimus

or just use HoneyPots to catch people kalniel!

There will always be people using the net for nefarious endeavors, look at something simple like usenet. Something that allows rapid distrabution of (originally, but no longer limited too) text files, very easy to anonomize the originator, and plenty of providers use SSL and no logs. As a result you get MANY un-desirable things posted, its really not the safest place to go looking for gentleman's relish.

True, but I think the aim of most of this isn't to completely irradicate illegal activity - no-one would be that niave, but if you can make it something that people know is a crime and have to go to some deliberate steps knowing that it was dodgy to do then it'll stop being a casual activity. That's the problem that the entertainment industry is really facing - piracy is too casual and easy.

Regarding usenet, haven't some american ISPs already started blocking it?

[TheAnimus]

without blacklisting IP ranges, how can you block it? SSL dosen't allow anyone too see the protocol that sits above it, the port numbers can easily be changed.....

I think the problem the industry has, is people justify the theft and think its somehow OK because its so easy, and seemingly victimless. In the hearts and minds battle people like the pirate bay people run rings around the representatives of the entertainment industry.

[directhex]

Originally Posted by Blackmage

I'm sure stats showed that the music people download, they wouldn't buy in a shop?

partly

SINGLES people download they won't buy in a shop. overall, album sales have been on the increase, especially for less known bands - people download tracks, like them, and buy the albums

[Brucelles]

I think it’s bizarre. I also think it’s a waste of time. Downloading is so easy that it will continue whatever the ISPs do. Smart people will always find a way past the blocks. Personally I don’t download a lot, but if I hear of a good band I usually download their three most popular (widely shared) tracks to listen to. If they are good enough I buy the CD and rip it, if not I keep or delete the tracks depending on how I feel. I bought the Who's Tommy on vinyl, bought it again on CD and ripped it. When my HDD died in Abu Dhabi (where I didn't have my CDs) I lost it, so I downloaded it again. What has changed? I paid for it twice and downloaded it once, but I am legally a pirate even though the files on my disk are identical to the ones I put there legally.

The other thing I do is download TV shows I missed. This too will become illegal as they can't really tell what you are downloading. Why? I paid to watch them, but was in Tanzania at the time. I have the right to watch them, they are in the public domain. I can’t sell them or make money by showing them to a paying audience, but I don’t want to. I think I am being penalised so that the music industry can get richer.

It's like all rushed legislation, full of holes and probably ready to be defeated the first time it's tried in court.

[maxwilson]

Good Job i just switched from BT to talk talk,

To be honest, i'm never gonna pay for something i can just get for free instantly.

[moogle]

Originally Posted by maxwilson

Good Job i just switched from BT to talk talk,

To be honest, i'm never gonna pay for something i can just get for free instantly.

Another one.

[kalniel]

Originally Posted by maxwilson

Good Job i just switched from BT to talk talk,

Why's that 'good'? Talk talk are part of this.

To be honest, i'm never gonna pay for something i can just get for free instantly.

It's freeloaders like you that cause the rest of us to have to put up with DRM. Learn some responsibility.

[pollaxe]

If this is to be believed then it seems like cracks are already starting to appear...

[kalniel]

Originally Posted by pollaxe

If this is to be believed then it seems like cracks are already starting to appear...

That's nothing new - CW have always said that, but that doesn't affect this current action.

[Lee @ SCAN]

Would they go after their own kind who have openly admitted to using filesharing sites such as the following well known artist, who admits to using a p2p site to broaden his music collection ?

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment..._williams.html

[pollaxe]

Well I'd have thought a threat to walk out would affect the current action/situation but then what do I know?

[maxwilson]

Talk Talk are part of this too? I only read the top of the article ah well i look forward to recieving a nice love letter

[kalniel]

Originally Posted by pollaxe

Well I'd have thought a threat to walk out would affect the current action/situation but then what do I know?

The threat to walk out is only about action taken to disconnect customers - that *isn't* what this current action is about, and that's why CW have supported it.

[IBM]

I don't know what all the fuss is about...if I want to listen to a track I don't have I can pull it up through last.fm, add it to my online playlist, and off I go. If the full track isn't available and I still don't want to buy it, I'll just stop by youtube and listen to it there. Added bonus, there's a full video too.

I'm rarely if ever away from a decent internet connection these days, and even if I am, I've got 4000+ other tracks to listen to, most of which I purchased legally.....

As for MaxWilson, grow up chump.