Net firms in music pirates deal

[Agent]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7522334.stm

This should be fun
Will be interesting to see them targeting the bill payers with no proof it was them. I look forward to the first court case

[Whiternoise]

This was on Hexus news this morning mate

http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14593

[Stewart]

Well the ISPs and the government need to protect the pop stars and record label owners.

WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE MILLIONAIRES?

Do you realise that if file sharing is not stopped, by the time our children grow up, the likes of 'Boom, Boom, Boom' by the Vengaboys will never be released?

NOR BARBIE GIRL BY AQUA!11!!1

Do you realise there is a big fat bloke, with a cigar, sitting in an office in America now who will NOT BE ABLE TO BUY A GOLD FERRARI THIS WEEK if this is not stamped out?

It wont help the millions of people starving to death in Africa or anything, but it will keep Mr Goldstien in cigars.

Brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it?

[Agent]

Originally Posted by Whiternoise

This was on Hexus news this morning mate

http://lifestyle.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14593

Yep, but if you've ever seen the way threads go in GD, its nice to have them in here sometimes too

[Whiternoise]

Originally Posted by Agent

Yep, but if you've ever seen the way threads go in GD, its nice to have them in here sometimes too

I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing to be honest

[IBM]

Got to love the lost revenue statistics. You can just imagine some bleeding twit thinking that everyone that downloaded a film or album would have gone to the cinema or bought the album if they'd hadn't been able to get it online.

The amount of crap I DID NOT download in a past life, and had absolutely no intention of purchasing at any point in time, was unbelievable.

Now I buy every album I want a copy of because I like to have a good hardcopy as backup. I only buy movies that I can honestly see myself watching over and over again.....which means I have a film collection of around 15 DVDs....

[Clunk]

It's great to see Feargal Sharkey getting in on this because a good heart these days is hard to find.

[TheAnimus]

Originally Posted by Stewart

Well the ISPs and the government need to protect the pop stars and record label owners.

WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE MILLIONAIRES?

Do you realise that if file sharing is not stopped, by the time our children grow up, the likes of 'Boom, Boom, Boom' by the Vengaboys will never be released?

NOR BARBIE GIRL BY AQUA!11!!1

Do you realise there is a big fat bloke, with a cigar, sitting in an office in America now who will NOT BE ABLE TO BUY A GOLD FERRARI THIS WEEK if this is not stamped out?

It wont help the millions of people starving to death in Africa or anything, but it will keep Mr Goldstien in cigars.

Brings a tear to your eye, doesn't it?

So its ok to theave, so long as the person has things you consider luxuroies.

So someone whos dessident and homeless on your street right now should be allowed to theave what they want from you?

[Stewart]

Originally Posted by theanimus

so its ok to theave, so long as the person has things you consider luxuroies.

Yup.

So someone whos dessident and homeless on your street right now should be allowed to theave what they want from you?

Nope.

[educatedfool]

Funny how crap like this gets done in a matter of months yet the international phone tariff's being reduced has a several year deadline.

The music industry is making more money now than it ever has. It's just these 'predicted losses' which are wildly inaccurate and are used to pressure the government into doing something.

Also, just maybe if they stopped mass producing this mainstream, brainless and generic fecal matter they call music the public would have some respect in them as an industry and buy their records.

[Steve B]

Originally Posted by Article

He added: "File-sharing (of copyright tracks without permission) is not anonymous, it is not secret, it is against the law."

What if you use encryption?

[TooNice]

My stance is still the same as usual. In general, I have no problem with the rich getting richer for what they do, so long as what they do is morally sound. Illegally file-sharing is not morally sound in my book. However, nor is charging the full cost of the same copyrighted material as many times as the storage medium changes. I believe that the people should only have to pay for the right to listen the material once, and if they want to have it in another physical format, they should be allowed to get it at a small cost (say the cost of producing and distributing the physical item, as well as a *small* premium for the new technology). They should also be allowed to freely convert in whatever digital format they choose, so long as it is for personal use (within reason, obviously it should be acceptable for someone to play the music on the PC when friends are present for instance).

It's won't be easy to implement such system, and to be honest, it won't stop piracy. So I don't expect to ever see anything like this being implemented. But I consider this a reasonable compromise based on my own viewpoint.

[Agent]

Originally Posted by Steve B

What if you use encryption?

Not much use encrypting the data if you're still connecting to a known IP address really.

Encryption stops / helps stop your ISP from snooping and any middlemen. It won't stop P2P being P2P.

[TheAnimus]

Originally Posted by Stewart

Nope.

But why? You've got more money than you need to live, think of the starving people!

When people try to say its ok to steal, they are in fact saying they know better than the rightful owner as to who needs the money, its just rude.

[kalniel]

Originally Posted by Agent

Not much use encrypting the data if you're still connecting to a known IP address really.

Encryption stops / helps stop your ISP from snooping and any middlemen. It won't stop P2P being P2P.

But P2P isn't the problem they're trying to address - solely illegal piracy. If encryption stops them from determining legal from illegal then I guess they'll just move to spot samples, decryption and retributive action. Or ban encryption above a certain strength.

[TheAnimus]

or just use HoneyPots to catch people kalniel!

There will always be people using the net for nefarious endeavors, look at something simple like usenet. Something that allows rapid distrabution of (originally, but no longer limited too) text files, very easy to anonomize the originator, and plenty of providers use SSL and no logs. As a result you get MANY un-desirable things posted, its really not the safest place to go looking for gentleman's relish.