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Is it just me or have the Labour party been listening to the begining of the "Time Warp" song a bit too much...
If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"
I could be wrong but my first thoughts on hearing the news was that he'll be in place for about 3 years and then brother David will take it...
No, tonight they'll be going out for a Pizza, and Ed will promise David that after he has been elected, and governed for a while, he'll stand down and let his brother take over... then he won't!
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TheAnimus (26-09-2010)
Talking of 'governing', has anyone noticed how Vince Cable still hasn't got used to the idea of actually being a Minister yet? He's still performing the role of commentator and he has to be reminded that his party now have (some very small) governmental responsibilities. He really must recover from his state of astonishment and do something...erm...ministerial.Originally Posted by peterb
Back OT, wrong bloke has the Labour job imho. Remain patient David, your kid brother will realise his election is a disservice soon. The good thing is though that Noddy could have been chosen and upstaged this coalition lot with ease.
I'm inclined to agree .... so it'll be interesting to see if Labour under EM can do as well as Noddy??
If not, we have a nomination for the next leader.
if we'd just had a rabbid fox in charge for the last 15 years economically things would have been better off.
Less debt.
Less government driven economies (these have historically not worked long term, without an underlying commodity, or at least I can't think of a single example, but I can think of plenty when they have crashed at the worst moment, like a recession say)
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Well its going to be interesting the majority of the labour party member and MPs wanted David however the unions swung it with Ed. I will be very happy if Ed now leads them off into a leftist wilderness (hopefully never to return). I suspect whoever won this time will not become the next Labour PM, David may thank the day he did not win. I don't think after so many years in power the party can just bounce back in next time. I have to admit I rather like the ConLibs, they kind of keep each other in check so we can't get too much lunacy.
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Yes, I saw him on (I think) Question Time last Thursday when he was questioned about his recent speech at the liberal discussion (sorry - conference). He gave the performance of a gaffed fish. John Redwood was surprisingly good though (mainly in defending Vince Cable!!!)
Yes - clearly some deep sibling rivalry there, though (not having a brother I don't know first hand how that works though) Still, good Kane and Abel stuff.
But I think you are right, Ed may have won the battle, but not the war. But I'm always prepared to be wrong.
I find myself more in favour of the coalition than I expected, but its early days yet - new territory and all that.
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I think Ed is the better personality of the two.
What he has to do now is go back to drawing board, not to do anything too revolutionary but also create a vision for the party to get behind. Secondly, redefine Labour. Give them a post recession purpose without sounding like the tories.
I think it's too early to tell.
I too have been pleasantly surprised by the coalition. It's the first time in 13+ years that I have actually been able to read a news report about a political decision and think "Wow - that actually seems sensible". They aren't perfect of course; but then, they ARE politicians.
Yes, God forbid we should actually have any variety in our choice of governments...
tbh, this country needs at least one of the main parties to move politically off the middle line if politics is ever going to have any credibility. At the minute the whole things a bit "we'd do what they're doing but differently" - it really doesn't feel like there's any choice in the kind of politics you can vote for; it's all sappy, liberal, middle-of-the-road, don't offend the voters fluff. At least having a proper left-leaning Labour party would inject a bit of colour into the whole thing.
directhex (30-09-2010)
I hope you are right.
David Milliband will be the next Prime Minister when the tories are 'ousted'.
The reason being is that the General Public vote for the popular rather than the policy.
I look at this from two different levels.
On the one had, I think its great - I don't think that Ed will turn labour around and win them the next election, unless of course the lib/con plan totally fails and then the public will vote them out as a result - and labour will get in by default. Politically speaking I don't think that this puts labour in a good position, they are split down the middle..and that just isn't good for them. Good for the country, but bad for them as a party.
On the other hand, Its a real shame that all the people who /should/ be running the party voted for David (who imo was the better candidate), yet the unions - who have no business in politics as they have their own totally separate agenda - put the person in that they wanted. Coincidental i'm sure that their objectives are more closely aligned with Ed's than Davids.
My answer would yet again be to get rid of the unions direct involvement in party politics, but hey I can't see that happen as whoever makes that move would never be elected again..if it would even be legal.
But even when people vote for the policy as in say California, it has bad results, they are voting against spending cuts, and against tax rises.
They don't even have the option of printing money.
All that does is make the landing more painful, its so obviously going to end badly without a bailout (and why should someone in New York pay for the calirfonians mass luxory greed?!)
Ok, so thats a bit differen't but thanks to the somewhat unique voting on bills system, its a good asside.Nepotisitical unions are bad for democracy you say? But these guys were so helpful, apparently they were even putting who to vote for inside the ballot envolope...
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As many other people have commented, the history of the Labour party is inextricably linked to trade unionism:
Now, ask yourself whether you'd prefer the trade unions to continue sponsoring the Labour party as we have it today, or whether you'd rather they started again and formed a new politic movement to support "their own totally separate agenda" - 'cause personally I'd much rather see the unions acting politically through the Labour party than off their own bat
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