(Independent) Scotland and the pound?

[HalloweenJack]

he as leader of the tories already is

[HalloweenJack]

Hm, a 'vow' from the 3 main Westminister leaders re giving more powers to Scotland if they vote 'no'.

It's a bit disingenuous considering that the House of Lords report highlights that the transfer of any more powers and further devolution would have to go through the UK constitutional process and possibly require a UK wide referendum.

Unless there will be a referendum on making, essentially, all countries of the UK part of a Federation of Nations, a Federal United Kingdom (as I said that acronym isn't helpful) then the 'vow' is pretty toothless.

effectively Scotland would become like the isle of man etc - under the umbrella of the UK but as a crown dependency , getting on with things they want to.... of course would mean no Scottish MP`s in london

[ik9000]

of course would mean no Scottish MP`s in london

At all?

[Apex]

Or how about we just give everyone a vote and see who wants to stay and join the Conferedation of Common Kingdoms and United Principalities. Cameron would then officially be the PM of a great....



(edit: ok I'll stop now)

Keep going

[peterb]

Having heard the leaders of al the major parties fawning with vague promises that they can't necessarily deliver as it needs primary legislation) and the dogs' dinner that "devo max" is turning into, I am beginning to hope that there is a "YES" vote and a clean break as that is likely (noew) to be the best outcome for England, Wales and northern Ireland. The 'promises' just leave us (WENI - or EWNI - or if you use the term Ulster - EWU) as hostages to fortune.

I really don't know what has got into Messrs Cameron Clegg and Miliband... "Last of the Summer Wine" perhaps? All we want now is a Nora Batty figure .... (Who is the leader of the Green Party? she'll do)

[HalloweenJack]

At all?

well , once they effectively become a separate country within the umbrella of the UK , why should Scotland have a say on the English NHS when as England we cant have a say on the Scottish NHS already?

[Apex]

If they vote No - do we get to vote to tell them to bugger off ?

[Saracen]

.... of course would mean no Scottish MP`s in london

Depends how you define Scottish MP - an MP that happens to be a Scot, or an MP who, Scottish or not, represents a Scottish constituency?

Presumably, the latter.

[HalloweenJack]

Depends how you define Scottish MP - an MP that happens to be a Scot, or an MP who, Scottish or not, represents a Scottish constituency?

Presumably, the latter.

<3 you - you knew what I meant - all those labour party mp`s with Scottish seats

[ik9000]

Keep going

I'm still in favour of having the Federation of the British Isles. We could go with this even if Scotland do leave, and then we would end up with the FBI-NSA. (No Scottish Assembly)

Or after too many beers, even better

FBI-NIA-CIA-NSA-MRT-KGB

The Federation of the British Isles, Northern Ireland Attached, Cymru Included Also but No Scottish Assembly -Most Recently Titled the Kingdom of Great Britain.

It'd be great picking that one from the MS drop down lists!

[HalloweenJack]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...not-pound.html

An independent Scotland would be forced to wait at least five years to join the EU and would then have to sign up to the euro, the Spanish government has warned in a major intervention 48 hours before the referendum that directly contradicts Alex Salmond’s claims.


Inigo Mendez de Vigo, the Spanish European Affairs Minister, rejected the First Minister’s claims Scotland could negotiate membership “from within” the EU, saying it would have to apply from scratch and follow the usual accession process.

well there you go - spain would veto an article 48 application.....

[adidan]

Interesting take by Ewan Morrison who went from the 'yes' to the 'no 'camp. wakeupscotland clicky

I left the Yes camp and joined the No camp not because I like the UK or think the status quo works well as it is. No. I think things are as complicated and compromised as they always are and that we live in trying times. The Yes camp understand that and so have created an illusion of a free space in which everything you’ve ever wanted can come to pass – overnight. How can it? There are exactly the same political conflicts within the factions of Yes as there are within the UK. After a Yes vote the fight for control of Scotland will begin and that unity that seemed like a dream will be shattered into the different groups who agreed to silence themselves to achieve an illusion of an impossible unity – the kind of unity you find in faith, not in politics. What makes this worse than remaining in the UK is that Scotland will be fighting out its internal battles on a world stage after demonstrating it intends to run its new politics on an illusion of unity, a unity that breaks up even as it is observed.

[HalloweenJack]

Rajoy has just said to the spannish parliament that Scotland would have to join the EU as a new country (a process that takes about 5 years)


salmond really doesn't get this does he - no currency union and no back door to the eu

[ik9000]

Rajoy has just said to the spannish parliament that Scotland would have to join the EU as a new country (a process that takes about 5 years)


salmond really doesn't get this does he - no currency union and no back door to the eu

nor do the voters sadly. just been talking to a few and they have no answer to currency and lender of last resort. their position is simply " something has to change" and we'll be ok in the end, the short term will be worth it! madness. they have no idea how things will work, accept they don't have answers but are voting in blind hope of it improving things and making things fairer! yes I guess you can all be in the cack together

[HalloweenJack]

I wouldn't trust the pollsters either - before Quebec in 1995 , they were on course to be an independent country by a margin.... yet it came out for the NO by a whisker.

[adidan]

Whatever the result, being pretty close I wouldn't be going out drinking on Friday if I was still living there. My experience was that if there was one group of people that the Scots got wound up by, more than the English, it was other Scots. I imagine a big clean up bill next Monday.