Ukraine, Russia and Crimea situation

[Zak33]

Russia testing all kinds of reactions at the moment. UK, Denmark and Netherlands all scrambled jets to intercept the Russian bombers. Why don't the BBC report these events? Scared of the reaction, I guess.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/2532077...#axzz2zjMKwvBR


More on U.S. Journalist Simon Ostrovsky
http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ournalist.html

sometimes you have to let governments govern.......

and if the BBC or the governement decides its not news worthy but you do, you go find the news that you want (as you have)

if you dislike it you leave the country and go elsewhere.. or you march out with a banner.

but sometimes to not scare the masses is better that telling everyone everything.

I'm of a mind to agree that this is now a news page and not a discussion.

[j1979]

sometimes you have to let governments govern.......

if you dislike it you leave the country and go elsewhere.. or you march out with a banner.

but sometimes to not scare the masses is better that telling everyone everything.

I'm of a mind to agree that this is now news page and not a discussion.

Exactly my point, if the people that want and love Russia want to become Russian they should pack up and emigrate to Russia. simple.

The Jet story is on BBC news 24 now, they are playing it down though, and describing that the Tupolev-95 bombers are "other military aircraft".

The discussion should be what to do about the Putin problem in my mind. What can the rest of the world do to get rid of this guy. He's a disgrace.

[Zak33]

what to do about the Putin problem in my mind. What can the rest of the world do to get rid of this guy. He's a disgrace.

he's a chap with a large stick.....

[j1979]

he's a chap with a large stick.....

and ego.

[Zak33]

so have I

but my stick's not as big as his....

[j1979]

so have I

but my stick's not as big as his....

It takes a real man to admit his frailties.

seriously though, there are plenty of countries out there with a bigger stick. And I'm sure they are well aware Russia's stick is growing, if they let this situation fester, bad things will happen later on. Personally I think the cold war is back for good. Unless revolution spreads to Russia and Putin's world falls apart.

EDIT: Jeb Bush thinking of running for president

[Phage]

For what it's worth I quite like this thread. It could be viewed as a news thread, but can't see the harm in that.
There's been no abuse only argument and I get to links to news stories that I would otherwise have missed. It's a major turning point for the EU, Russia and has a lot of side issues like energy security, a fear of a Russian 'spring', increased defence spending all sorts.
Close it if you must, it's hardly tech after all, but I'd probably go read his blog should he start one.

[j1979]

For what it's worth I quite like this thread. It could be viewed as a news thread, but can't see the harm in that.
There's been no abuse only argument and I get to links to news stories that I would otherwise have missed. It's a major turning point for the EU, Russia and has a lot of side issues like energy security, a fear of a Russian 'spring', increased defence spending all sorts.
Close it if you must, it's hardly tech after all, but I'd probably go read his blog should he start one.

I feel like i should start a blog now

...

This is the latest info I'm reading about the "little green men" as they are known in Ukraine. Identified via vk.com.


http://inforesist.org/insurgents-ide...takte/?lang=en


this is the guy with the swastika pendent. His page is now being trolled pretty bad.
http://vk.com/id229685502

[jim]

Russia testing all kinds of reactions at the moment. UK, Denmark and Netherlands all scrambled jets to intercept the Russian bombers. Why don't the BBC report these events? Scared of the reaction, I guess.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/2532077...#axzz2zjMKwvBR

Because, as mentioned at the bottom of the article:

"The ministry statement said such incidents have occurred before, citing one from March 21 and another on Sept. 10 last year."

I remember stories about British jets chasing Russian jets away from Scotland years ago. The Greeks spend a fortune every year chasing Turkish jets out of their airspace as well.

I don't agree with Russia doing it, but I think that's the reason why the BBC didn't report it. It's only notable because of the current situation, and actually, in a wider context, it's pretty normal. In many ways, reporting it would be misleading because it would suggest that this is the first time it has happened.

[j1979]

Because, as mentioned at the bottom of the article:

"The ministry statement said such incidents have occurred before, citing one from March 21 and another on Sept. 10 last year."

I remember stories about British jets chasing Russian jets away from Scotland years ago. The Greeks spend a fortune every year chasing Turkish jets out of their airspace as well.

I don't agree with Russia doing it, but I think that's the reason why the BBC didn't report it. It's only notable because of the current situation, and actually, in a wider context, it's pretty normal. In many ways, reporting it would be misleading because it would suggest that this is the first time it has happened.

Bad timing though. HMS Dragon now sent to shadow a Russian war ship hanging just off UK waters.

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/news/def...ters-1-6017646

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Because, as mentioned at the bottom of the article:

"The ministry statement said such incidents have occurred before, citing one from March 21 and another on Sept. 10 last year."

I remember stories about British jets chasing Russian jets away from Scotland years ago. The Greeks spend a fortune every year chasing Turkish jets out of their airspace as well.

I don't agree with Russia doing it, but I think that's the reason why the BBC didn't report it. It's only notable because of the current situation, and actually, in a wider context, it's pretty normal. In many ways, reporting it would be misleading because it would suggest that this is the first time it has happened.

TBH,it also happens with other countries like China and the US too. The Hainan Island incident is an example of a probing run(for want of a better word) going awry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident

[HalloweenJack]

^^ why oh why did they scrap nimrod MR4 - they had to send a ship from Portsmouth to Scotland for 1 Russian warship - it took 1 week to get there

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

^^ why oh why did they scrap nimrod MR4 - they had to send a ship from Portsmouth to Scotland for 1 Russian warship - it took 1 week to get there

Financial incompetence by our government??

[j1979]

BBC won't draw the parallel here... but I will

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-news...where-27117241



Hitler commemorates the annexation of Austria.

EDIT: not even sure if the Hitler coin is real, but the Putin one is

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Funnily enough Russian destroyer mentioned was actually docked at Liverpool for two days last year:

http://folkestonejack.wordpress.com/...ves-liverpool/

It seems it was open to the public!!

[opel80uk]

As for Yanuchoytch, read the UN and OECD reports on Ukraine, him and his government. Also please understand that he signed an agreement to share power and the next day he fled.

I have never once said that his Government wasn’t corrupt, but so are lots of other Governments and there is no real argument that his Government wasn’t elected fairly. And the power sharing agreement was signed only after violent and sustained protests. If that were to happen In Britain, no one would seriously consider the interim Government that took its place as anything other than a coup.

Ukraine's "Right Sector" are not in power, they are not in the government, they have never been in the government, and whats more they have left the Dnipro Hotel in Kiev. This is why I find it frustrating. Facts reported are quite often not fact. Russia report the whole Kiev government are Nazi's.

Who said that the Right Sector were in power? I didn’t. What I said was that members of the Far Right were in Government. Is this not correct? Do Svoboda have members in Government, or not? It’s a simple yes or no answer. You keep going on and on about the parallels between Putin and Hitler, yet make no reference to the what those members of the current Ukrainian Government have gone on record with regards to their Neo-Nazi links and ideology, and simply downplay it by asserting that Russia are worse. From that, I think it’s fair to assume, whilst critical of far-right Russian Nationalism, you are supportive of, or at least indifferent to, far-right Ukrainian Nationalism. That, in my mind at least, is clearly biased.

I understand why some people detest me. Because I will dismiss out of hand, arguments that are seeded from Russian sources, because unfortunately there is no free press in Russia. I trusted Vice news's Simon Ostrovsky 100% he was risking it all, to show the rest of the world what is happening. He's now missing (pro-russians) say he's safe and working with them.

Like i said before journalists that find out information that could seriously damage Russia's version of events, are under extreme risk.

I presume it was not dissimilar to this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-panteleymonov

Let me guess, a one off, or simply Russian Propaganda again?

In my opinion, In the same way Germany should have been totally defeated in WW1 to avoid the follow on that became WW2……

The Treaty of Versailles was one of the most severe peace treaties ever imposed after a war. It included disarmament, territorial concessions to the allies, accepting full responsibility for the war and extreme financial reparations. How much more ‘defeated’ would you have liked? Historians now look back at that treaty and point to it as one of the main causes that allowed Hitler to rise to power.

We are on a collision course with Putin's Russia, I think this thread should show more solidarity with the Ukrainians, because they are seriously under the cosh, and they will soon be dying for there freedom.

I think an awful lot of posters here have shown solidarity. But I think a lot also accept that there are parts of Ukraine that identify more with Russia, and are realistic enough to know that something is going to have to give. On top of that, whilst I’m sure it is magnified for you as you have a personal interest in it, for many of us, Russia’s behaviour is no different to when Russia invaded Georgia in 08.

There is a Ukrainian saying for people that want the USSR back, "Suitcase, Station, Train".

They used to say the same about the Irish in Northern Ireland. A pathetic statement.

Let them break free. let them choose in their own elections, with the new constitution in May. But Russia can't and won't let this election go smoothly. Like I said in December, they will throw as many spanners in the works as possible and if that does not work they will go to war and if they can get away with it ethnically cleanse east Ukraine.

Well, if that’s the case, why doesn’t Ukraine call Russia’s bluff and offer the East a referendum?

Russia testing all kinds of reactions at the moment. UK, Denmark and Netherlands all scrambled jets to intercept the Russian bombers. Why don't the BBC report these events? Scared of the reaction, I guess.

They did:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27130125

Here’s the bit from the article that I found most interesting:

'RAF fighter planes were scrambled to incidents such as this eight times last year, an MOD spokesman said.

The spokesman said the jets were launched to "determine the identity of unknown aircraft" that approached the north of Scotland and "could not be identified by other means".

He said: "The aircraft were subsequently identified as Russian military aircraft. The Russian military aircraft remained in international airspace at all times as they are perfectly entitled to do so.

The spokesman added that Russian military flights have never entered UK sovereign airspace without authorisation'.