Peaches Geldof found dead. RIP

[peterb]

Heroin is a synthetic derivative of morphine, morphine itself naturally occurs in opium poppies. Also both are used in hospitals for similar purposes.

Strictly speaking, both morphine and heroin are derived from opium, a naturally occurring substance in the opium poppy, (but I accept that more post was misleading)

The use of both is entirely legal, provided it is obtained on prescription and used under medical supervision.

[Pob255]

What we commonly call Opium is the dried sap from the Opium poppy and contains a bunch of alkaloid compounds including morphine and codeine.

Heroin was originally made when trying to convert morphine into codeine, through the use of organic acids and solvents.
The human body metabolises the heroin into a readably metabolic form of morphine, which is where it's dangers lie so to speak and the reason it's generally perceived as more dangerous, it's both absorbed and metabolised more quickly, so the same level of dose "comes on" faster, has a stronger reaction and more quickly fades.

This in turn leads to some of the addictive properties of heroin being greater than those of morphine

[Platinum]

I hardly knew her...

[AmiRbs]

I'm not sure I would do something because 'they do it on Game of Thrones', otherwise all I'd be doing would be sitting around eating pork, chopping some heads off and entertaining dirty women

[HalloweenJack]

Man, another reminder that despite being born into a wealthy situation, addiction is a horrific illness that robs people of everything until it finally takes their life.

will be the first to say `you called it`.

so apologise from me

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/peaches-ge...4.html#Ao4vZvc

[TheAnimus]

There is no pride in such a thing. Sadly, it was such an inevitability, given her publicly documented struggles and no resolution to any of them.

The sad thing is on paper she would appear to have had everything, born into a wealthy, easy situation.

[Andeh13]

Stupid selfish girl, such a young family and the money & family lessons (tragedies) to set them up for life, and instead she leaves them this legacy. The news makes it sound like she had the 11 month old there with her at the time.

[TheAnimus]

Stupid selfish girl, such a young family and the money & family lessons (tragedies) to set them up for life, and instead she leaves them this legacy. The news makes it sound like she had the 11 month old there with her at the time.

If she had cancer, you wouldn't say it was stupid or selfish that she had succumbed to the illness and died.

This is the issue with mental health problems and addiction in general, it makes people act in a completely selfish manner. She clearly had issues which were unresolved, and found solace and help in the end of a needle.

[wasabi]

If she had cancer, you wouldn't say it was stupid or selfish that she had succumbed to the illness and died.

This is the issue with mental health problems and addiction in general, it makes people act in a completely selfish manner. She clearly had issues which were unresolved, and found solace and help in the end of a needle.

I don't buy the addiction as an 'illness' idea. To me it is insulting to the genuinely ill. Sorry for those around her, and that she took this way out, but the responsibility for this path is her own lifestyle choice.

[HalloweenJack]

If she had cancer, you wouldn't say it was stupid or selfish that she had succumbed to the illness and died.

This is the issue with mental health problems and addiction in general, it makes people act in a completely selfish manner. She clearly had issues which were unresolved, and found solace and help in the end of a needle.

she MADE the CHOICE to inject drugs. and the small edetial she did it with her CHILD next to her makes her as bad as jimmy Saville. (IMO) emotional child abuse is just as `bad` as sexual and physical.

[Saracen]

Bear in mind, first, we still haven't had the full inquest. Second, there's an on-going police investigation.

Third, we know there was heroin in her system, but we don't know when, or how, it got there. Injected? Maybe. Or smoked, perhaps. Either way, apparently, no drug paraphernalia were found in the house. So either someone removed it, and reportedly police found no evidence of third-party involvement, or she took drugs elsewhere, so her son may well not have had emotional abuse from seeing an injection.

Fourth, we don't yet know what killed her, and may never know. Preliminary tests aren't conclusive. Heroin is "likely" (but not certain) to have been "a factor" in her death, but by no means necessarily the cause of it.

It is possible, heroin in her or not, that her death had nothing to do with that. A guy I knew dropped dead in his office, one day. Aged early 30s, fit as a fiddle, didn't drink or smoke, wouldn't even drink tea or coffee because of caffeine never mind hard drugs. Yet, BAM. Dead.

Apparently, a cerebral aneurysm let go, in a big way. Paramedics said he'd have been dead before he hit the floor. Another friend, again early-30s and apparently healthy, with a young family, died in his bed one night. He was fine at 11pm, dead when his wife woke up in the morning.

So, Peaches ...

Was it drug-related? Possibly, maybe probably. But until we know for sure, if we ever do, then drugs may or may not be the cause, either a large or small factor in the cause, or perhaps nothing whatever to do with it. But right now, we simply do not know.

[Andeh13]

Let's be realistic, no drug paraphernalia was found because her husband who found her moved and disposed of it. I bet that was the first thing he did before/after making the call.

I don't accept the mental health issues, it does those that genuinely suffer from one a massive massive injustice. She lost her mum which is devastating, but everyone suffers loss but most people adapt, come to terms and move on. Most people that do it don't have her uber luxurious money, lifestyle and fame nor her young and happy family.

She did class A drugs with an 11 month old under her direct care, putting it's life in jeprody as well. I stand by my 'selfish girl'comment, and leaving it at that is me being soooo generous for the sake of Hexus

[Saracen]

Let's be realistic, no drug paraphernalia was found because her husband who found her moved and disposed of it. I bet that was the first thing he did before/after making the call.

....

Maybe. But it's not the only possibility, and we just don't know that. And even then, we don't know if it caused her death.

As for mental health, it's a complex issue and an affluent, luxurious lifestyle is no guarantee of avoiding it. What having access to serious money does do, though, is ensure you can afford to indulge in drug habits if you choose to.

[Andeh13]

Even so, my point still stands IMO. She was taking/taken class A drugs whilst being the only one looking after an 11 month old for the weekend. It's the cardinal sin for being a parent, risk incapacitating yourself with zero back up plan.

As for the take on mental health issues, giving into abusive and addictive substances and not seeking support (when available with said money), having boasted about it in the past and watched what it did to family member.... That's a personality flaw, not a mental health issue, again IMO.

[Bluecube]

But if she was suffering from depression to the point where she took an overdose of heroin then rational thought wouldn't enter the equation.

[Saracen]

Even so, my point still stands IMO. She was taking/taken class A drugs whilst being the only one looking after an 11 month old for the weekend. It's the cardinal sin for being a parent, risk incapacitating yourself with zero back up plan.

As for the take on mental health issues, giving into abusive and addictive substances and not seeking support (when available with said money), having boasted about it in the past and watched what it did to family member.... That's a personality flaw, not a mental health issue, again IMO.

Which point? That hubby must've moved/hidden the drug paraphernalia? So far as I can tell, that's mere speculation with no evidence to support it. It may turn out to be the case, but so far, we don't know.

On mental health, as I said, it's VERY complex. In reference to

I don't accept the mental health issues, it does those that genuinely suffer from one a massive massive injustice. She lost her mum which is devastating, but everyone suffers loss but most people adapt, come to terms and move on. Most people that do it don't have her uber luxurious money, lifestyle and fame nor her young and happy family.

... my view is that having money, uber luxurious lifestyle, etc, do not guarantee mental health. And indeed, for all the benefits, celebrity brings stresses and pressures of it's own. I, and I assume probably you, too, can get into a scrape, or do something stupid, and it's not likely to end up splashed all over the front pages. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in the celebrity, or child of celeb, goldfish bowl, no matter what the money was. And she didn't even choose that lifestyle. She was born into it.

I agree about responsibilities for children. Who wouldn't? But as Bluecube said, depression and rational decisions often aren't soulmates.

Beyond that, there's a lot of speculation and limited hard fact. We don't even know that drugs caused her death. Merely that it's "likely" to be a factor. But not certain.

And if it was a factor, we don't know it was an overdose. It could have been contamination. If it was an overdose, was it deliberate or accidental? It's not uncommon for addicts to overdose if they slip after a period clean, and use a dosage they would have survived if still a regular user.

Basically, at the monent, it's almost all speculation until we get the inquest outcome.