1400 girls sexually abused in Rotherham

[OilSheikh]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-s...shire-28939089

And, once again it's gangs of Pakistani muslims.
I remember reading another news article several months ago about how gangs of Pakistani muslims were loading English girls with drugs and booze and raping them in turns.

As a human being and more importantly as a muslim, I find this atrocious. Do the Pakistani parents not bring up their kids properly ? If you can't parent your kids the right way, then you should not be having kids!

These gang members should be hunted down and executed. Even lashing them will not suffice

[wasabi]

I do feel sorry for the police on this ssue. They're getting crucified in the press for crimes committed by closed communities where they have to tread very very sensitively (Guardian at the forefront of illogic on this as usual).

What do we want - police allowed to do their job even if upsets the ethnics, or child abuse to continue?

[OilSheikh]

What do we want - police allowed to do their job even if upsets the ethnics, or child abuse to continue?

We want Police to do as it is fit. If you come to the UK, you cannot bring your non-UK way of doing things e.g. honour killings and FGM issues.

[peterb]

Part of the problem (in the past) was that neither the police nor Social Services DID do their job and either ignored reports, or worse, stigmatised the victims.

[wasabi]

No. They dare not do their job for fear of losing it. Good article on Forbes who identify the problem exactly.
Here.

[OilSheikh]

What does the NSPCC have to say about this ?

[Saracen]

Part of the problem (in the past) was that neither the police nor Social Services DID do their job and either ignored reports, or worse, stigmatised the victims.

That.

And from what I can see, a large part of the problem.

Trouble is, there are those that, as soon as the police poke their nose in, play the race card. And authorities, including police but by no means limited to them, were intimidated by that.

Justice should be race blind (and gender, religion, sexual preference, etc, blind too). You should not be targeted because you're of a particular ethnicity, but you should not be immune from investigation because of it either. Race, and those other factors, should play NO part in the decision either to investigate, or not, to arrest or not, to prosecute or not.

Oh, and for clarity, I'm NOT talking about not acting on specific information. If police are told there's a robbery suspect, 6'2 tall, male, Asian, with white jeans and a red and yellow striped shirt, then him being black is part of that and comes into the decision to stop, question and probably detain. But what you don't do is stop a black guy JUST because he's a black guy.

Anyway, back to Rotherham .... the truly disgraceful thing is that it looks like action wasn't taken because of "don't rock the multicultural boat" fears. Cobblers to that. Allegations need to be taken seriously, investigated properly, and that done regardless of the race, background, ethnicity or religion of either the complainant, or the accused. Nothing short of that sort of judicial blindness is ever going to help settle racial issues. If you pick on minorities because of, say, race, you will pee them off, big time. If you give them a free pass on things like this because of race, you will pee off everybody else, big time. Justice, in this sense at least, MUST be blind.

[mikeo01]

Another great example of this country being a complete push over.

The only people they'd happily upset is Britons, in fear of "racism" and upsetting outsiders and people with different backgrounds in the UK.

It angers me to the bone. Get over it, no it isn't racism its called a crime and they deserve justice. This is the UK, and if you abide by your own laws and rules, or non-UK way of thinking then you really shouldn't be here.

Without trying to go into different areas, you can feel this "inside fear" across the UK. We all are bleeding scared of everything in case it "upsets" someone.


One big push over this country is. Let's see what happens if we go to different countries and go against their background, religion, laws etc. Yeah, be a bit more strict than us I bet.

[kalniel]

Well there were a large variety of reasons why action wasn't taken - fear of rocking the race boat was one, but so was not believing the victims, not understanding the nature of CSE and thinking that there can be some kind of consent, blaming parents, chaotic handling of cases, pressure to work on other crimes where targets had been set, absence of adequate 'lessons learned' reviews, and so on.

The report is available to download, the failings are shocking. But it's clear it's not just fear of being accused of racism - on my reading it's not even the main problem (misunderstanding the nature of CSE was).

[drone567]

I think this country is coming to crisis point. As some have pointed out, it's working class children who were targeted, and then ignored by the police. This has been going on for decades, and is widespread. Often the children, and young women were; threatened into keeping quiet, didn't tell because of shame, or we're treated like they were the trouble makers. Someone needs to stand up and tell the truth, stop pandering to political ideologies, that have consequences they can't predict, or control.

[rob4001]

The same Rotherham Council took adopted children of a couple because they were members of UKIP they later apologised all whilst 1400 children were subject to horrific abuse.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...P-members.html

[Tschebyshev]

The saddest thing is that this probably isn't an issue that is just confined to Rotherham. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other parts of the UK or the world that have grappled with something similar.

The problem is that many of these countries are too politically correct. By all means, don't discriminate based on their race or religion, but at the same time, you should be able to call out a crime for the evil injustice it is without instantly being labeled as a "racist" or an "Islamophobe" or something else that is overused.

[j1979]

The saddest thing is that this probably isn't an issue that is just confined to Rotherham. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other parts of the UK or the world that have grappled with something similar.

The problem is that many of these countries are too politically correct. By all means, don't discriminate based on their race or religion, but at the same time, you should be able to call out a crime for the evil injustice it is without instantly being labeled as a "racist" or an "Islamophobe" or something else that is overused.

Jack Straw mentioned the problem a few years ago, regarding Blackburn http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-12142177

Shot down by Keith Vaz. "Why didn't Jack Straw say something about this (before)? He has represented Blackburn for 31 years, he's been the home secretary."

Maybe because he will be branded racist?

Yet recorded cases of abuse in:
Derby
http://www.derbyscb.org.uk/docs/BD09...iveSummary.pdf
Oxford
http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/latest_ne...oitation_case/
Rochdale
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...-police-errors
Telford
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telford_sex_gang
Peterborough
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-25659042

and now Rotherham.

It's a problem of institutions and networks. BBC, Catholic Church & the Pakistani Muslim community. Not everyone in the BBC was a paedo, same with the Church and the Pakistani Muslim community.

[kalniel]

The problem is that many of these countries are too politically correct.

Read the report. That was far from the only problem.

[Saracen]

Read the report. That was far from the only problem.

Indeed. It wasn't the only factor. It does appear, however, to have been a very significant one, as clear from not just the report (have read it, or most of it, though not every dot and comma in the 160-ish pages), but from some of the stuff that's come out since.

Bear in mind the report wasn't a judicial (like Leveson) inquiry with statutory powers over witnesses, and other than those witnesses still having a duty to cooperate by virtue of current employment obligations, cannot compel all witnesses to attend, let alone testify. It appears to be pretty thorough, and certainly blew the lid off the situation, but isn't the be-all and end-all analysis of everything that happened, why, and by whom.

[wasabi]

Read the report. That was far from the only problem.

Would these crimes have happened if the police had been allowed to do their job without tiptoeing around sensitivites on pain of demotion?