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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Well aircraft are so safe now and accidents are usually a combination of things\events or pilot error.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gerrard View Post
    Unconfirmed reports that it sounds like one of the pilots was locked out of the cockpit. Although that just raises more questions...
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32062278

    Now sounding like a more credible report.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    If the report is accurate, then why was one pilot left alone in the cockpit...some airlines require a flight attended to take the absent pilot's place.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur2 View Post
    If the report is accurate, then why was one pilot left alone in the cockpit...some airlines require a flight attended to take the absent pilot's place.
    But many don't.

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    But many don't.
    Well any logical reason why they don't, all air stewardesses could be taught how to open the cabin door from the inside to let the absent pilot in or use the radio in case the one pilot flying the plane has suddenly collapsed, even maybe to be taught to switch the plane to auto-pilot. Anyway the airlines must know all what I'm saying and it would be nice to ask "WHY\WHY NOT"....for a reply.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

    Germanwings plane crash: Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane'

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Do we know if any airlines have researched "remote over-ride / control"? Could have been useful in this case...and many others.

    Cabin crew get a panic button which goes through to flight control, flight control fly plane remotely to safe location.

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chadders87 View Post
    Do we know if any airlines have researched "remote over-ride / control"? Could have been useful in this case...and many others.

    Cabin crew get a panic button which goes through to flight control, flight control fly plane remotely to safe location.
    Many others? I can only think of two in the last few years. And that involves speculation that MH370 was pilot suicide.

    The fact is, us pilots need to be able to switch anything and everything off. As it's far more common we have a need to switch something that is malfunctioning, than pilots commit suicide.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    [QUOTE=Chadders87;3444574]Do we know if any airlines have researched "remote over-ride / control"? Could have been useful in this case...and many others.

    Cabin crew get a panic button which goes through to flight control, flight control fly plane remotely to safe location.[/QUOTE}

    I don't think there are any remotely piloted manned aircraft - at least, not yet, and certainly not with fare paying passengers. That said, a modern airliners auto pilot can be programmed to take off, fly and land at the destination with minimal pilot intervention. Letting pilots fly the plane is probably less safe than using the electronics systems. However, the pilot is required if those systems fail.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    airbus have 2 entry modes into the locked door - the request to enter , which the pilot operates the lock and the override which can be activated after 30 seconds. if either that is cancelled or the deadbolt on the inside of the door is thrown - theres no way in at all.


    French reports say the audio shows the captain leaving the flight deck , at which point the aircraft decended. air traffic control can be heard , and at the last moment , screaming from the pax cabin. then its over

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Both Easyjet and Norwegian Air Shuttle say they will adopt new rules requiring two crew members to be present in the cockpit of a flying aircraft at all times.
    tbh that should be happening - that and the pilot flying goes on oxygen as well.

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    tbh that should be happening - that and the pilot flying goes on oxygen as well.
    That's uncomfortable, and expensive. Given the effects of psychosis take time to be noticed, isn't having better sensors a priority? Not to mention, that the oxygen doesn't last long at all. Who's suggesting that one?
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    That's uncomfortable, and expensive. Given the effects of psychosis take time to be noticed, isn't having better sensors a priority? Not to mention, that the oxygen doesn't last long at all. Who's suggesting that one?

    erm its already in the rules for aircraft with non rapid deployment masks anyway? if its the old style with the adjustable straps that are hanging , then anytime 1 of the pilots leaves the flight deck the other has to go on air.

    btw - there are 3 settings for the masks - mix of 02 and cabin air , pure 02 and emergency , which is 02 under high pressue (as in a rapid decompression , normal pressure isn't enough) <----- learnt something reading PPRUNE about this

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    erm its already in the rules for aircraft with non rapid deployment masks anyway? if its the old style with the adjustable straps that are hanging , then anytime 1 of the pilots leaves the flight deck the other has to go on air.
    When you say rules, do you mean operator or authority?

    For explosive decompression, I still think smarter autopilot is the better option, making controlled descent with knowledge of safety altitude.

    As for always wearing the masks, remember you get some people on PPRUNE that suggest we should all wear mil style flight suits to protect us from fire.

    Safety is always a balance of not going in the first place, comfort and economy. I don't think having a pilot with a mask on for his entire stint in the left seat is a particularly good idea, even if it does help clear his hangover.
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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    It's going to be interesting times. We all know that a pilots reason for being in the plane is 99.99% insurance, IE they wont insure a plane without one (yet!).

    I feel the insurance companies are about to make a killing.

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    Re: A321 Crashes in France.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    When you say rules, do you mean operator or authority?

    For explosive decompression, I still think smarter autopilot is the better option, making controlled descent with knowledge of safety altitude.

    As for always wearing the masks, remember you get some people on PPRUNE that suggest we should all wear mil style flight suits to protect us from fire.

    Safety is always a balance of not going in the first place, comfort and economy. I don't think having a pilot with a mask on for his entire stint in the left seat is a particularly good idea, even if it does help clear his hangover.
    authority - and its not called explosive decompression is called rapid decompression.

    its wearing the masks when any no qualified pilot is in 1 of the seats - so if PNF is on the loo and CC is in the right hand seat - left hand seat has a mask on.

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