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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by The Hand View Post
    A Labour, SNP, Lib-Dem Coalition/Vote by Vote arrangment looks the most likely at the moment:

    http://elections.ft.com/uk/2015/projections
    If that is the case, Labour would have to go back on their claim of no coalition with SNP, pretty sure Lib Dem's also stated they would not work with the SNP!

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Lib dem + conservative/labour in a minority government situation. Pretty much every other combo has been ruled out. Its possible the SNP could also support labour on a vote by vote basis but it couldn't be a formal agreement... (Personally I'm just hoping Farrage loses as he promised to resign if he does)
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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey M@a View Post
    If that is the case, Labour would have to go back on their claim of no coalition with SNP, pretty sure Lib Dem's also stated they would not work with the SNP!
    Coalition =/= agreement of backing in vote of non-confidence/queen's speech.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Coalition =/= agreement of backing in vote of non-confidence/queen's speech.
    Indeed, was just a quick comment on Milliband's statement that he wouldn't be a deal with SNP.

    Guess we will know more tomorrow morning, gone are the days of a majority I think.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey M@a View Post
    Guess we will know more tomorrow morning, gone are the days of a majority I think.
    They might come back when people see the mess

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    They might come back when people see the mess
    There is that, either people will go back to the major parties with votes, or we may actually see a change in the way the votes are counted other than first past the post.

    Interesting times ahead

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Alternatively.. an agreement for vote-by-vote might be a win for the general public - if voting along party lines doesn't guarantee a bill is passed anyway, perhaps (ha) MPs will try and represent their constituents instead

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by kalniel View Post
    Alternatively.. an agreement for vote-by-vote might be a win for the general public - if voting along party lines doesn't guarantee a bill is passed anyway, perhaps (ha) MPs will try and represent their constituents instead
    Carefully, you nearly suggested something sensible.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey M@a View Post
    ... Guess we will know more tomorrow morning ...
    That's extremely optimistic! Likely to be at least a week before the negotiations are complete, IMNSHO - more if the Lib Dems don't have enough seats to form a majority coalition with either of the main parties, because then the negotiations will be between three, four or even five parties....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grey M@a View Post
    ... we may actually see a change in the way the votes are counted other than first past the post. ...
    Hugely unlikely; we had a referendum on that 4 years ago and it got voted down by the electorate (including by some supporters of proportional representation who complained that AV didn't go far enough). We're unlikely to get another referendum on it this quickly, particularly since the Lib Dems, with their very low projected share, have no political motivation to push for that as one of their red lines this time.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Hugely unlikely; we had a referendum on that 4 years ago and it got voted down by the electorate (including by some supporters of proportional representation who complained that AV didn't go far enough). We're unlikely to get another referendum on it this quickly, particularly since the Lib Dems, with their very low projected share, have no political motivation to push for that as one of their red lines this time.

    I happen to think that, if there was any deal between the Lib Dem's and Labour, a referendum on the issue may well be part of that deal. Short term it doesn't help the Lib Dems if their vote goes the way it's been projected, but long term it certainly would help a traditionally smaller party. And, if what has been projected to happen to Labours Scotland vote materialises, there may be more sympathetic ears to the notion from the red side.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Conservative and Labour both get the exact same number of seats, and having both failed in talks to find coalition partners end up deciding who is prime minister by the outcome of Rock Paper Scissors. Best of three.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Maybe there should be a Hexus Party (political Party that is) stepping forward. Sort this whole governmental thing out.
    I wonder what the policies would be....
    No trees were harmed in the creation of this message. However, many electrons were displaced and terribly inconvenienced.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Conservative and Labour both get the exact same number of seats, and having both failed in talks to find coalition partners end up deciding who is prime minister by the outcome of Rock Paper Scissors. Best of three.
    If it's between two leaders, then surely Marquis of Queensbury would be appropriate?

    If you want to get all the leaders involved, I vote for a cage match

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    That's extremely optimistic! Likely to be at least a week before the negotiations are complete, IMNSHO - more if the Lib Dems don't have enough seats to form a majority coalition with either of the main parties, because then the negotiations will be between three, four or even five parties....



    Hugely unlikely; we had a referendum on that 4 years ago and it got voted down by the electorate (including by some supporters of proportional representation who complained that AV didn't go far enough). We're unlikely to get another referendum on it this quickly, particularly since the Lib Dems, with their very low projected share, have no political motivation to push for that as one of their red lines this time.
    Oh, I didn't mean as in who would run the country, was more a comment on how the voters have turned out, where the landscape is heading and how the general public are voting. I think it would be a while until we saw a solution to the voting.

    As for the voting, if its constantly going to be a mash of votes that no one can have a majority, they either change the way votes are counted (as you say, highly unlikely) or they run the country with a coalition or minority going forward.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    My area is a Labour safe seat.

    Basically Lib Dems need to do well.

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    Re: 2015 GE ... who do you think WILL win ....

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    If it's between two leaders, then surely Marquis of Queensbury would be appropriate?

    If you want to get all the leaders involved, I vote for a cage match
    If they used Cartman's Rochambeau rules from South Park for it then it should be worth televising Kind of critical who goes first though.

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