Unofficial Hexus Brexit Straw Poll - In, Out, Undecided?

[Galant]

[rob4001]

TTIP will dismantle NHS


https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ays-david-owen

[Corky34]

Good job TTIP has wide spread opposition across the EU then really isn't it, IIRC François Holland said he'd veto it, I'd be more worried about the Liberal Conservative government who were the ones championing TTIP from within the EU adopting a similar deal with the USA in the event of us leaving, ATM the only thing preventing a TTIP style deal is our membership of the EU.

[Galant]

"The EU commissioner for administrative affairs, Maros Sefcovic, also placed hope in the potential EU-US trade deal.

He noted it would give the two sides de facto control of global industrial standards.

"If the Americans and the Europeans agree that this is the standard [for a given product] then that automatically becomes the world standard," he said.

He urged EU countries to adopt a negotiating mandate for the treaty before July and said parts of the pact could be "initialled" before mid-2014.

Looking inwardly into the Union, he echoed Brzezinski's worry that EU institutions, national governments and average Europeans lack joint political will.

Noting that the European Commission will in future be able to veto member states' national budgets under the so-called European Semester laws, he said: "The commission in its history never had more power than it has now."

But he wondered what will happen when Brussels tries to wield its new instruments.

"In September or October, the commission will send letters to Estonia or to France saying: 'Show us your budgets. We want to see them first to see if they're sustainable.' Then we will have to have a conversation on how to combine this deeper integration with democratic scrutiny," he said.

"When I present this to the Bundestag … people might say: 'Who is this man from Brussels telling us what to do?'," he added."

Source: euobserver.com Bold and italics added.

[Galant]

Bit of history:

[Corky34]

Source: euobserver.com Bold and italics added.

Maybe you need to update your source, it's over three years old and things have moved on a great deal in that time.

Republican nominee Donald Trump has been vocal in his opposition to TPP since the start of his candidacy, and Democratic contender Bernie Sanders hit frontrunner Hillary Clinton so hard on supporting past trade deals for costing the US manufacturing jobs and weakening environment standards that she came out against TPP as well – despite supporting it while at the state department.

Also if you like history maybe you should read about why we (the UK) was called the sick-man of Europe, "Throughout the 1970s, the United Kingdom was sometimes called the "sick man of Europe" by critics of its government at home, because of industrial strife and poor economic performance compared to other European countries,[10] culminating with the Winter of Discontent of 1978–9."
^^That's^^ the reason we begged to be let into the then EEC no less than 3 times.

[Kovoet]

So good democracy worked this time.