Britain is doomed!! (How is that going to affect you)

[Biscuit]

I have followed this chap for a while as I find him to be a pretty impartial bloke, hes often wrong and makes mistakes, but don't we all. His report on Brexit is no different. Dont worry 'Leavers' this isn't more doomsday evidence.

[DanceswithUnix]

Indeed. The only sane response is some gallows humour

B3ta seem to be on form as usual

http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/brexit/

[Phage]

Seen this ?
http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/co...-a3281686.html

[Marcvs]

The company I work for are looking at relocating and I have been job hunting outside the UK.

[The Hand]

I have followed this chap for a while as I find him to be a pretty impartial bloke, hes often wrong and makes mistakes, but don't we all. His report on Brexit is no different. Dont worry 'Leavers' this isn't more doomsday evidence.

A pretty good video, though I think more overlapping arrangements will probably emerge such as Finland staying in the EU/Eurozone as well as stay within the Nordic council. It's quite possible that Brexit will put alot more pressure on non-Euro countries, such as Denmark and Sweden to have referendums but perhaps Brussels might offer concessions to keep them in and outside the UK sphere of influence.

[Jowsey]

*snip* but perhaps Brussels might offer concessions to keep them in and outside the UK sphere of influence.

If only Brussels had been so forth coming with some of them for us...!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The company I work for are looking at relocating and I have been job hunting outside the UK.

Sorry to here that!!

[directhex]

If only Brussels had been so forth coming with some of them for us...!

Which part of the latest special deal Cambo negotiated prior to the referendum (and dependant upon a remain vote before coming into force) do you feel was insufficient?

Don't look it up. I'm sure you don't need to, since you're implying something about relative deals.

[directhex]

Sorry to here that!!

The post I was mocked for in another thread about UK car manufacturing is coming 100% true, according to my sources. Total overnight vanishing of orders for parts from the continent.

[opel80uk]

Then they shouldn't have been campaigning for Leave, frankly. It's somewhat irresponsible to vote for an option in a referendum without really understanding the consequences of that, but it's frankly criminal to campaign for an option in a referendum without understanding the consequences. There should've been some kind of plan. Are we going to aim for EEA membership? Are we going to leave "Europe" altogether and aim for a bilateral trade agreement with the EU? Somewhere in between? What are our priorities? Which services do we care about? Where are we willing to give ground?

All these things *should* have been thought about by any serious leave campaign before they even started campaigning. That didn't happen, but it should have. We've had a national referendum on a serious, country-changing, issue, and the people who called the referendum and campaigned on either side appear to have assumed that the result would require no action. As I said before, it's like they thought it was just some sort of intellectual exercise. Utterly disrespectful. And I thought my opinion of politicians couldn't go down any further...

It's not that I disagree with you per se, but I more blame the voters. That politicians will try to further their own interests, by whatever means they can, should be taken as read. But people voted without being given an answer to all of the above questions you ask. The categories that all the people that I know who voted leave fall into; Old, racist or dim, I can understand; the old person nostalgic for a Britain that no longer (and probably never did) exist, the racist wanting to boot everyone out, and the Dim not fully understanding what they are voting for. But there has to be leave voters who don't fit into any of those categories, who are smart and intelligent and savvy. That they voted for this, knowing that there was no plan, and able to predict, or at least have a good guess at predicting, what the uncertainty would do to Britain in both the Short and long term is, to me, bewildering and depressing. And they need to take responsibility too.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

The post I was mocked for in another thread about UK car manufacturing is coming 100% true, according to my sources. Total overnight vanishing of orders for parts from the continent.

Well Sunderland voted overwhelmingly for Brexit though!!

[TheAnimus]

The post I was mocked for in another thread about UK car manufacturing is coming 100% true, according to my sources. Total overnight vanishing of orders for parts from the continent.

Why?

I mean we've still got at least 2 years that they can import without any issue, do these parts take that long to manufacture?

The terrible impact on our FX rate will make the parts cheaper.

I get that long term no one wants to have their business exposed to the unknown trade agreement being ratified bilaterally within a two year period, which is a huge risk. But why right now?

[ik9000]

It's not that I disagree with you per se, but I more blame the voters. That politicians will try to further their own interests, by whatever means they can, should be taken as read. But people voted without being given an answer to all of the above questions you ask. The categories that all the people that I know who voted leave fall into; Old, racist or dim, I can understand; the old person nostalgic for a Britain that no longer (and probably never did) exist, the racist wanting to boot everyone out, and the Dim not fully understanding what they are voting for. But there has to be leave voters who don't fit into any of those categories, who are smart and intelligent and savvy. That they voted for this, knowing that there was no plan, and able to predict, or at least have a good guess at predicting, what the uncertainty would do to Britain in both the Short and long term is, to me, bewildering and depressing. And they need to take responsibility too.

And those people voted because they wanted a say that they're not happy with the current position - and future path of increasing political union. The real issue is that we should have had a way of letting people express those opinions before Cameron went to negotiate with the EU so he could have a clear mandate on what Britain's key requirements were. All of that should have been explored way before any finally binding in-out choice was offered. It's not rocket science, but apparently due process isn't something the government seemed bothered about. THE GOVERNMENT FFS - the "professionals" who we supposedly trust to run things on our behalf. HAH! I come back to previous comments in other threads that no-one under the age of 40 who hasn't worked in other industries far removed from anything political should ever be allowed to become an MP.

[scaryjim]

... there has to be leave voters who don't fit into any of those categories, who are smart and intelligent and savvy. ...

Indeed, because there are genuinely arguable points to be made about the progression of political union and the potential loss of UK sovereignty, and there are undoubtedly savvy voters out there who - ideologically - do not want to be part of that. Even if they did know that there was no plan for what to do in the case of a Leave vote, they'd have to choose between voting against their own ideology out of fear for the lack of preparation, or voting with their ideology on the basis that it would force Parliament to come up with an exit plan. TBH, it's hardly surprising that they'd do the latter - if you ideologically want to leave the EU then it's not going to matter to you personally if there's a plan in place before the vote.

The referendum wasn't on any particular outcome or strategy if we left. It was an ideological question - do you think the UK should remain in the EU. From the voter point of view, that doesn't require either side to have a plan. The referendum didn't ask people what they think should happen if we vote to Leave. Given the incredible complexity of our ties to the EU, it was a stupid question to put to a referendum, frankly, but you can't blame the voters for that. They answered the question they were asked, to the best of their abilities. It's the subsequent reaction of everyone on the Leave campaign (Boris' dithering, and Farage's outburst of 'I don't trust the other Leavers to actually do it' today) that I dislike. Either they want out, or they've just monumentally wasted the entire nations' time and money. And they're not really showing much inclination towards leaving, are they...

[The Hand]

Some potentially good news for the UK:

Brexit: Australia to team with NZ to negotiate new trade, immigration deals, Malcolm Turnbull says

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-2...ations/7546890

"Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has announced Australia will team up with New Zealand in a bid to negotiate new trade and immigration deals in the wake of the Brexit vote in the UK."

[scaryjim]

Some potentially good news for the UK: ...

That's an ... optimistic ... reading of an article that finishes with this quote (from Monash University European politics expert Ben Wellings):

"Whichever government's going to come in, [Brexit] puts them on the horns of a dilemma … because the EU is a very significant trading partner for Australia," he said.

"When you break that down, a lot of that trade goes via the UK for historical, and personal and linguistic reasons that we can all imagine.

"So in a way, there's probably a Hobson's choice here. Where should Australia's trading relationships and diplomatic efforts be addressed — at a UK outside the EU or of the remainder, let's call it the rump-EU?"

EU offers Australia/NZ a favourable trade deal, less incentive for them to deal with the UK directly. Looks more likely a liability than an asset to me...