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    End times a'comin

    https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/hist...714#.37b1qd5ag

    Summary:

    Most people discount the chances of things happening if they haven't happened in their lifetime or the lifetimes of those close to them. Throughout history, whenever experts warn of big scary stuff about to happen, they are 'dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit, and Trump are dismissed now.' Thus, those saying 'we haven't had war in europe for 70 years' are being very naive and even arrogant about the chances of it happening.

    Eastern Europe is gradually turning to far-right politics, as Turkey and Russia solidify their grips on the regions, and both NATO and the EU are weakened.

    We tend to see events in isolation while they're happening around us, but any study of history attempts to link events together, and it is thus clear to us after the facts what contributed to both world wars; Brexit, for example, is either or both a consequence or a potential cause of much unrest.

    The rise of Trump is pants-wettingly scary, for his lack of regard of upholding mutual defence treaties and his apparent propensity to go to war or push the big red button.

    I need to look into citizenship of a small, neutral island country with good enough healthcare that I can reliably continue to get insulin as nukes are going off around the world.

    Wheeewwwwf. Someone rescue me from this paranoia.
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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Throughout history, whenever experts warn of big scary stuff about to happen, they are 'dismissed as hysterical, mad, or fools, as is always the way, and as people who worry about Putin, Brexit, and Trump are dismissed now.'
    I look forward to seeing some expert warnings then, have you got any?

    Thus, those saying 'we haven't had war in europe for 70 years' are being very naive
    And they'd also be very wrong.

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    Re: End times a'comin

    I'd love to, I cannot though. We have to do our best to ensure that we vote sensibly and encourage others to see the risks of adopting policies and politicians that provide the thin-edge of the wedge.

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    Re: End times a'comin

    I haven't worked out why Britain is so anti-Trump, but doesn't pay any attention to the reasons why Trump is so popular. Few people agree with his positions on many issues. He's won the primary nomination because the people running against him were worse, and I many cases spectacularly so. He's polling reasonably close to Hillary because she's about as scary as Trump. The danger in the US isn't the rise of Trump, it's the political extremism and corruption that leaves Trump as the best candidate the major parties have to offer.

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    Re: End times a'comin

    When has Trump shown an inclination towards war?

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    Re: End times a'comin

    I think Iconix they are taking the view that being an isolationist, who is happy to cut funding to mil operations so that other NATO members have to pull their weight, is the same as showing an inclination to war.

    Whilst I don't agree with it in this context, I think that someone who say suggests cutting Trident despite the events of the last decade, could be argued as showing an inclination towards war due to their lack of defense. Much the same as peace in our time could be an inclination to war.
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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    I haven't worked out why Britain is so anti-Trump, but doesn't pay any attention to the reasons why Trump is so popular. Few people agree with his positions on many issues. He's won the primary nomination because the people running against him were worse, and I many cases spectacularly so. He's polling reasonably close to Hillary because she's about as scary as Trump. The danger in the US isn't the rise of Trump, it's the political extremism and corruption that leaves Trump as the best candidate the major parties have to offer.
    Why Trump is popular is an issue for another time - that's not going to get fixed anytime soon.

    Hillary may be corrupt... but 'about as scary as Trump'? You're either totally ignoring almost everything that Trump has been saying (yes some of it has been to gain popularity, but we won't know how much until he gets into power) or you've got it into your head from somewhere that she's some despotic warmongerer. Could she be turn out to be one of the worst presidents in american history? Potentially. If Trump gets into power, he's virtually guaranteed to be the worst leader of a free country in the history of the world.
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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by Iconix View Post
    When has Trump shown an inclination towards war?
    Fairly sure there are some direct quotes about 'rolling in' etc but there are so many other insane quotes they're kinda hard to find

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    If Trump gets into power, he's virtually guaranteed to be the worst leader of a free country in the history of the world.
    I can think of worse, a certain fellow who gave toothbrush mustaches a bad name springs to mind.
    It's not Trump or Brexit that's the cause of the problem, they're just the effects, the causes are more complex and they're not political in nature, at least not directly.

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    Re: End times a'comin

    It is an interesting article, though I find it somewhat ironic that he falls prey to the same issue he highlighted in terms of focusing on the present. Brexit is merely another event in a continuity which started in 1945, as a consequence of not dealing with Russia there and then. Now I'm not going to argue that we'd be better off if we had, as anything could have happened. However, that decision framed the backdrop against which all subsequent events transpired.

    Oh and it is also ironic that some "liberal intellectuals" believe free movement of people is a good thing. Despite the fact that a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrates the opposite, i.e. increasing levels of immigration makes people less tolerant rather than more. So they are just as much part of the cause for the rise of Trump etc. as everyone else by pushing a misguided agenda.

    Finally it is dreadfully clear that we should have drilled bigger holes in the boats the "founding fathers" used. Allowing a bunch of inbred religious zealots access to all that space was always going to end in tears...
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousSam View Post

    Finally it is dreadfully clear that we should have drilled bigger holes in the boats the "founding fathers" used. Allowing a bunch of inbred religious zealots access to all that space was always going to end in tears...
    Who knew they'd create the world's first secular government?

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    Who knew they'd create the world's first secular government?
    Perhaps on paper... which is a LONG way from reality
    If Wisdom is the coordination of "knowledge and experience" and its deliberate use to improve well being then how come "Ignorance is bliss"

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by TeePee View Post
    Who knew they'd create the world's first secular government?
    As there were so many mercantile interests at play, maybe they merely replaced the religions of gods with one of money?

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousSam View Post
    It is an interesting article, though I find it somewhat ironic that he falls prey to the same issue he highlighted in terms of focusing on the present. Brexit is merely another event in a continuity which started in 1945, as a consequence of not dealing with Russia there and then. Now I'm not going to argue that we'd be better off if we had, as anything could have happened. However, that decision framed the backdrop against which all subsequent events transpired.

    Oh and it is also ironic that some "liberal intellectuals" believe free movement of people is a good thing. Despite the fact that a growing body of scientific evidence demonstrates the opposite, i.e. increasing levels of immigration makes people less tolerant rather than more. So they are just as much part of the cause for the rise of Trump etc. as everyone else by pushing a misguided agenda.

    Finally it is dreadfully clear that we should have drilled bigger holes in the boats the "founding fathers" used. Allowing a bunch of inbred religious zealots access to all that space was always going to end in tears...
    I agree that he doesn't make it clear enough in his article, but he did state 'An example of how Brexit could lead to a nuclear war could be this:'.

    I've never heard of this growing body of scientific evidence. All the data I have suggest the opposite. Could you link something to back up your claim please? Not looking for a scientific paper, but a good article or opinion piece from a reputable site would be useful.

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by wazzickle View Post
    Fairly sure there are some direct quotes about 'rolling in' etc but there are so many other insane quotes they're kinda hard to find
    I didn't think you'd turn anything up.

    He did say that he would "knock the hell out of ISIS", he was glad the Russians were doing it and he'd like to see NATO dealing with terrorism (which is now a talking point within NATO). Is that what you have a problem with? Because that probably doesn't mean nuclear war.

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    Re: End times a'comin

    Quote Originally Posted by SeriousSam View Post
    Perhaps on paper... which is a LONG way from reality
    Certainly, but The Constitution is an amazing founding document, even more so for the day in which is was written.

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