Should we eat chicken ?

[Zak33]

right people...

try this site

https://www.bigbarn.co.uk/

find a local farm shop

[Zak33]

Think I'll be sourcing local from now on as I've been getting it from Musclefood and I think they source from the EU or perhaps outside EU?

you buy your meat from a company called Muscle Foods?

/staggers....


for real?

[Zak33]

this is the ingredient dec on one of their steaks

Beef (86%), Burger Seasoning (7%) (Crumb (Rice Flour, Water, Dextrose, Vegetable Fibre, Salt, Caramel, Paprika), Rice Flour, Salt, Potato Starch, Minced Onion, Yeast Extract, Ground White Pepper, Onion Powder, Preservative (Sodium Metabisulphite), Acidity Regulator (Sodium Ascorbate), Rapeseed Oil, Ground Ginger), Dragon Fire Seasoning (7%) (Spices (Paprika, Chilli, Pepper, Coriander), Maltodextrin, Pea Protein, Salt, Bell Pepper, Garlic, Potato Starch, Anti-Caking Agent (Silicon Dioxide E551), Spice Extracts).

and a hickory glazed chicken steak
IngredientsChicken (95%), Glaze (5%) (Dextrose, Pea Protein, Glucose Syrup Powder, Spices (Paprika), Tomatoes, Smoked Salt (6%), Garlic, Caramel, Smoke Flavouring, Potato Starch, Anti-Caking Agent: Silicon Dioxide E551).

and a fat free venison burger
Venison (92.5%), Seasoning (7.5%) (Crumb (Rice Flour, Water, Dextrose, Vegetable Fibre, Salt, Caramel, Paprika), Rice Flour, Salt, Potato Starch, Minced Onion, Yeast Extract, Ground White Pepper, Onion Powder, Preservative (Sodium Metabisulphite), Acidity Regulator (Sodium Ascorbate), Rapeseed Oil, Ground Ginger).

you're right about the chicken being EU
Origin: EU

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you can go to Aldi and buy better, I promise

[TheAnimus]

That's a heck of a lot of seasoning for a "fat free" burger. Why would you want something that's fat free with added sugar if you are working out regularly anyway? I find sugar is the devils food when it comes to eating before or after gym sessions, but can't get enough of the stuff during a day long cycle!

[peterb]

These days, we rarely get a takeaway, and MUCH less packets. I mean, BUYING breaded chicken breasts or .... shudder, nuggets. Don't get me wrong, I like chicken nuggets from time to time, but how long does it take to chop a breast or two, or boneless thigh, into chunks abd 'panne' them in flour, egg snd breadcrumbs?

And, you can change up the recipe. One time, spice the floor. Or use crushed cornflakes instead of breadcrumbs. Or use up a slice or two of stale bread making your own breadcrumbs, with or without a spice or herb addition.

Hmm, I'm never quite sure which part of a chicken are its nuggets... I avoid them

That's a heck of a lot of seasoning for a "fat free" burger. Why would you want something that's fat free with added sugar if you are working out regularly anyway? I find sugar is the devils food when it comes to eating before or after gym sessions, but can't get enough of the stuff during a day long cycle!

Fat free = zero taste so you have to add something to make it taste of anything. Sugar is more harmful than fat. I'd rather have meat with a good marbling of fat for the flavour than something dried out, tasteless and fat free.

[shaithis]

Fat free = zero taste so you have to add something to make it taste of anything. Sugar is more harmful than fat. I'd rather have meat with a good marbling of fat for the flavour than something dried out, tasteless and fat free.

This x100

The push to low-fat products is nothing more than big food increasing profit margins by having food with longer shelf-lives.

I refuse to buy any low-fat products (I do buy reduced sugar where possible though).....and have to wonder how the big food companies have a lot to answer for with regards to the current diabetes epidemic.

[Dashers]

The other half is a bit of an Organic nut, and whilst I feel that going full Organic is OTT, it generally goes along with more sustainable and fairer treatment of animals - which is only right IMO.

It's relatively easy to be "good" when buying raw ingredients, but getting your read-meals or frozen stuff that has been sourced ethically is a mine-field. I'm no good at cooking fresh, so this is irritating. I'm happy to pay more if I know it's ethically sourced - I guess most people aren't, which is why there isn't much of it on sale.

Why pay more when you can get a super-market branded dodgy import?

[Zak33]

.....and have to wonder how the big food companies have a lot to answer for with regards to the current diabetes epidemic.

blame your government for that bud, not just food companies.

go and try to launch a mackerel sandwich in seeded bread in the UK Supermarkets

it's impossible... because the fat level is to high.. even though it's fish oil and seed oils.

[Zak33]

The other half is a bit of an Organic nut, and whilst I feel that going full Organic is OTT, it generally goes along with more sustainable and fairer treatment of animals - which is only right IMO.

It's relatively easy to be "good" when buying raw ingredients, but getting your read-meals or frozen stuff that has been sourced ethically is a mine-field. I'm no good at cooking fresh, so this is irritating. I'm happy to pay more if I know it's ethically sourced - I guess most people aren't, which is why there isn't much of it on sale.

Why pay more when you can get a super-market branded dodgy import?

stop spending money on it and spend money on a good cookery course

you'll enjoy yourself so much you won't stop smiling for a month and you'll be healthier and fitter for life

this type of thing
http://www.ashburtoncookeryschool.co.uk/

[kalniel]

The other half is a bit of an Organic nut, and whilst I feel that going full Organic is OTT, it generally goes along with more sustainable and fairer treatment of animals - which is only right IMO.

Organic probably isn't sustainable - it's rather low yield in some situations, we'd have a bit of a problem feeding everyone if we went fully organic.

[SeriousSam]

This x100

The push to low-fat products is nothing more than big food increasing profit margins by having food with longer shelf-lives.

I refuse to buy any low-fat products (I do buy reduced sugar where possible though).....and have to wonder how the big food companies have a lot to answer for with regards to the current diabetes epidemic.

Utter codswallop...

1. The push towards fat reduction is the result of "health" groups pressurising the government / retailers.

2. Fat reduction has been a nightmare for the food industry because generally (a) fat is cheap (b) it enhances flavour (c) it helps increase shelf life i.e. they'd like to use more fat not less.

3. If we want to start pointing fingers in regards to the diabetes epidemic then top of the list is irresponsible parents who are too lazy to teach their kids the basics of a healthy lifestyle.

[TooNice]

you'll enjoy yourself so much you won't stop smiling for a month and you'll be healthier and fitter for life

I just chuck meat/fish and vegetables (carefully selected for a balanced diet) into a steamer and be done with it. Not going to win any culinary awards, but doing stuff that I enjoy (cooking isn't really one of them), gets is what gets me smiling.

[Saracen]

Hmm, I'm never quite sure which part of a chicken are its nuggets... I avoid them

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Start with chicken breast, and cut into nugget-sized pieces.

Lay three containers in a row, with 'seasoned flour', beaten egg and breadcrumbs, one in each.

Dip each chicken chunk in flour, then egg, then breadcrumb and place on a roasting tray.

Bake.

Now you have chicken nuggets and you know EXACTLY what part of a chicken they are.

Oh, and both the flour and breadcrumbs can be tweaked wth seasoning. It could just be a little salt (or Lo-Salt) and pepper, or you could add paprika, chilli, herbs, whatever. Get the blend right, and deeo-fry it, and you've got KFC. I can actually pretty pretty close to KFC flavour with a blend of about 6 or 7 seasonings,, and I can still bake rather than deep fry, and it costs a LOT less.

Shop-bought nuggets? Oh hell, no. But make 'em yourself and it's a quick, easy, tasty and cheap meal, and you control ingredient quality.

[Saracen]

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Fat free = zero taste so you have to add something to make it taste of anything. Sugar is more harmful than fat. I'd rather have meat with a good marbling of fat for the flavour than something dried out, tasteless and fat free.

Agreed 100%.

Cheap way = cheap cuts of beef, for instance, that MUST be slow-cooked, to properly render fat and tenerize. But oh, the taste.

And talking of marbling, best tasting beef EVER was the famous Kobe beef, flash-fried table-side at a rather nice restauant in Kyoto. That beef is almost enough reason to visit Japan, all by itself. Not that I need reason, 'cos I love the country, love the culture and history, and once you get past the differences in mannerisms, love the people. Add Kobe beef to all that, not to mention most of the rest of their cuisine and I'm sold. Note - both sushi and sushimi are, for me, the exception that proves the rule and are a taste I'm adamantly determined to not acquire.

[shaithis]

Utter codswallop...

1. The push towards fat reduction is the result of "health" groups pressurising the government / retailers.

2. Fat reduction has been a nightmare for the food industry because generally (a) fat is cheap (b) it enhances flavour (c) it helps increase shelf life i.e. they'd like to use more fat not less.

3. If we want to start pointing fingers in regards to the diabetes epidemic then top of the list is irresponsible parents who are too lazy to teach their kids the basics of a healthy lifestyle.

You might want to do some more current research into fat vs carbs Lots of new info out there your clearly not privy too.

[Zak33]

You might want to do some more current research into fat vs carbs Lots of new info out there your clearly not privy too.

unlikely - new info doesn't make it right, and I fail to see what fat vs carbs has to do with it.

if parents stopped buying the stuff that kids get diabetes from/because of, they'd stop making it.

its consumer driven, and pressure groups, as per Sam's post, are partly to blame.

I wanted my son to have full fat milk at school. It wasn't allowed after a certain age (bear in mind I'm PAYING for milk..it's not free) without a letter from the doctor, because our government decided that semi skimmed was better.

so I agree that fat is good. but the pressure groups are getting their own way. This thread started because someone has fed the opening poster a load of ...well...cods wallop