Low Memory Warning? What?

[mikeo01]

Hello all,

Odd issue. I have moved over to my new build, Athlon 760K on FM2+. All other components are the same.

Clean install of Windows however I realised something wasn't right, the "smoothness" went. Fired up a 3D game to see (ARMA) and noticed I was getting crashed, DX11 out of memory errors, and Windows infamous "Low memory" popup error.

However I noticed I have 8GB detected, but Windows isn't bothering to use it. It's using virtual memory instead. I disabled virtual memory and I could see it was struggling to free memory, FPS drops to <10.

My G.Skill RAM was in another system yesterday, happily plodding along running games.

My board says it supports XMP memory so that won't be the issue? My BIOS is latest and I am in the process of updating Windows (to see if there's a hotfix of some sort maybe).


No obvious issues within event viewer, no logs, just Windows complaining it's recovered a "low virtual memory issue".


Bit puzzled about this,

Any thoughts?

[mikeo01]

Hmm:

I fired up ARMA 3 with a very low paging file limit and it crashed almost instantly. Needless to say everything is running pretty slow, lags and simple crashes (like Chrome crashes) are there.

I am only running Windows update and my CPU usage is very high (almost always 80-100%).

[kalniel]

I wouldn't disable the page file, it's assumed to be there by many programs these days and shouldn't have any negative effect on RAM usage - I think you're seeing a symptom, not a cause.

Try memtest86+ to check for RAM errors - could be as simple as an overtightened HSF when you built the computer.

[satrow]

Hi, Mike.

How much free space do you have on your System drive? How much of that is contiguous - what's the largest free block size?

After a reboot, open Task Manager and get a screenshot ot the Performance tab, then open Resource Monitor from the button on Task Manager, switch that to the Memory tab and attach a screenshot of the Physical memory section; attach both screenshots to a reply, please?

[mikeo01]

I wouldn't disable the page file, it's assumed to be there by many programs these days and shouldn't have any negative effect on RAM usage - I think you're seeing a symptom, not a cause.

Try memtest86+ to check for RAM errors - could be as simple as an overtightened HSF when you built the computer.

I'd had my pagefile set to 400-1000MB for errors for years though which is odd. Throughout all my builds, and my software usage doesn't change that much at all

I'll go check it with memtest86+ now, you watch I damaged it when moving it over

However, overtightened HSF? Never thought of that. My HSF has one of those string loading mechanisms which I assume is to stop over tightening?

Hi, Mike.

How much free space do you have on your System drive? How much of that is contiguous - what's the largest free block size?

After a reboot, open Task Manager and get a screenshot ot the Performance tab, then open Resource Monitor from the button on Task Manager, switch that to the Memory tab and attach a screenshot of the Physical memory section; attach both screenshots to a reply, please?

72.8GB free of 118GB. How'd I check for block sizes?




Thanks for the reply guys

[satrow]

Looking back at the "17 out of 17 complete" in the STEAM window, your problem may have been a temporary one while Steam was downloading and updating, using up way more drive temp and swap space than would ordinarily have been the case.

At a quick glance, other than voltages appearing to be low (check them in the BIOS), memory/CPU etc, looks fine.

What happens when you try to play ARMA now?

[mikeo01]

With nothing running, no updates I had a go with ARMA. Flew around for a bit (1 minute maybe) until I had a DX11 error. Then "Not responding" error which is strange.

Every texture looked like they were loading very slowly.

Voltages are auto and I also disabled the XMP profile. Still no luck. Stock voltage is 1.320V when load but varies from that to 1.45.


Right will check memory now and report back

[satrow]

Ensure you have installed DirectX 9.0C for full compatibility and check that you have the latest graphics/hardware drivers.

Try to reduce the number of 3rd party 'utility'/drivers installed or restrict them from auto-starting during testing, many of them can cause odd issues, from infrequent glitches to runaway mem. usage, even BSODs.

A clean, streamlined Windows is much easier to troubleshoot than one loaded up with non-essentials/pretties.

Check the 3.3, 5 and 12v readings in the BIOS, compare them to those on your HWiNFO screenshot.

I also suspect that there can be (permissions?) issues specific to W8/8.1 compared to earlier versions, and even differences between W8 and 8.1. so ensure your drivers, esp. gfx, wireless, USB3 and any security/utility/autorunning software really is recently updated and fully compatible.

[jim]

So you've had virtual memory on automatic, or have you manually capped it at 1GB?

[mikeo01]

Ensure you have installed DirectX 9.0C for full compatibility and check that you have the latest graphics/hardware drivers.

Try to reduce the number of 3rd party 'utility'/drivers installed or restrict them from auto-starting during testing, many of them can cause odd issues, from infrequent glitches to runaway mem. usage, even BSODs.

A clean, streamlined Windows is much easier to troubleshoot than one loaded up with non-essentials/pretties.

Check the 3.3, 5 and 12v readings in the BIOS, compare them to those on your HWiNFO screenshot.

I also suspect that there can be (permissions?) issues specific to W8/8.1 compared to earlier versions, and even differences between W8 and 8.1. so ensure your drivers, esp. gfx, wireless, USB3 and any security/utility/autorunning software really is recently updated and fully compatible.

I'll try that out soon. But just for the record, I have DX11 installed, DirectX Runtime. I'll launch runtime again from Microsoft to see.

I'll check the voltage readings soon. Memtest86+ is still going, no errors so far.

So you've had virtual memory on automatic, or have you manually capped it at 1GB?

I've tried both, to no avail

Put it this way, my mother's laptop I am using now (I3-330M, 4GB RAM, 5200 RPM HDD) is much smoother than my desktop.

If I allow virtual memory things take longer to complain and shutdown, example, ARMA will run for a bit until it runs out of memory. Without virtual memory it's practically instant.

The overall system is sluggish, but with virtual memory enabled I can have Chrome, Steam, Windows update and some monitoring apps open (woo). Without it and the whole system crawls and is overall non-responsive. (Doesn't even want to take the shutdown command).


I'll fire up OCCT to check the CPU cores also after memtest86+.

[mikeo01]

UPDATE: Memtest86+ came back clean. I'll go check everything else now

[kalniel]

However, overtightened HSF? Never thought of that. My HSF has one of those string loading mechanisms which I assume is to stop over tightening?

You're probably fine then in that regard, and it's not a problem I've heard about for the FM2 socket, but the 1336 intel socket is notorious - if you overtighten the HSF you can cause at best a temporary short on the memory lanes which causes problems accessing memory, or at worse bend CPU socket pins which tends to manifest itself in memory errors.

Could be duff CPU, though memory test should clear that one.

Thorough virus scan? In case you brought something across on old data?

An odd BIOS setting? Something that's preventing access beyond a certain lookup table (eg 2.3GB?) Look for options like 'memory hole' or 64bit compatibility etc.

Oh and you are running 64bit version of Windows 8 right?

[jim]

I take it you haven't ruled out a borked windows install yet?

[mikeo01]

Readings from the BIOS:
vcore: 1.416v
3.3V: 3.363v
5v: 5.100v
12v: 12.240v

DirectX version 11.

DXDiag output:



Here's an output to my ARMA 3 log, DX 11 out of memory errors right at the moment.

DX11 - Initializing DX11 engine.
DX11 - Using DXGI adapter 0 (detected in config).
DX11 - Using DXGI adapter 0.
- adapter description : AMD Radeon HD 7800 Series
- adapter vendor ID : 4098
- adapter device ID : 26648
- adapter subsys ID : 184815618
- adapter revision : 0
- dedicated video memory : 2128662528
- dedicated system memory : 0
- shared system memory : 2166239232
Error: JoystickDevices - CoInitilizeEx return 80010106
Error: CoInitilizeEx (XAudio2-1st trial) return 80010106
PhysX3 SDK Init started ...
PhysX3 SDK Init ended.
SimulWeather - Cloud Renderer - noise texture file is not specified!

No more slot to add connection at 033057 (3386.8,5735.4)
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_list
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listpreinit
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listpostinit
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listrecompile
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missiontaskslocal
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missionconversationslocal
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missionflow
config.bin/CfgMovesMaleSdr/States/AmovPknlMevaSrasWpstDr.InterpolateTo: Bad move AmovPknlMsprSlowWpstDf_AmovPpneMstpSrasWpstDnon
config.bin/CfgMovesMaleSdr/States/AmovPknlMevaSrasWpstDl.InterpolateTo: Bad move AmovPknlMsprSlowWpstDf_AmovPpneMstpSrasWpstDnon
Animation o:\arma3\a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\hubcleaned\wave\hubwave_move1.rtm not found or empty
Animation o:\arma3\a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\hubcleaned\wave\hubwave_move2.rtm not found or empty
No default vars in config.bin/CfgMovesMaleSdr/States/Acts_UnconsciousStandUp_part1.variantsPlayer
No default vars in config.bin/CfgMovesMaleSdr/States/Acts_UnconsciousStandUp_part2.variantsPlayer
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_in1\acts_c_in1_briefing.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\b_hub01\acts_welcomeonhub03_aiwalk.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\b_hub01\acts_welcomeonhub03_playerwalk.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\b_hub02\acts_welcomeonhub04_aiwalk.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\b_hub02\acts_welcomeonhub04_playerwalk.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\b_hub03\acts_welcomeonhub05_aiwalk.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epa\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\b_hub03\acts_welcomeonhub05_playerwalk.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_out2\acts_cominginspeakingwalkingout1.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_out2\acts_cominginspeakingwalkingout2.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_out2\acts_cominginspeakingwalkingout3.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_out2\acts_cominginspeakingwalkingout4.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_out2\acts_cominginspeakingwalkingout5.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\anims_f_epc\data\anim\sdr\cts\custom\c_out2\acts_cominginspeakingwalkingout6.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\cargoposes_f\anim\kia_driver_truck_03.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\air_f_beta\heli_attack_01\data\anim\heli_attack_01_pilot_kia.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\air_f_beta\heli_attack_01\data\anim\pilot_heli_light_02_kia.rtm not found or empty
Animation a3\air_f_beta\heli_attack_01\data\anim\copilot_heli_light_02_kia.rtm not found or empty
Warning: looped for animation: a3\cargoposes_f\anim\pilot_plane_cas_01.rtm differs (looped now 1)! MoveName: pilot_plane_cas_01
Warning: looped for animation: a3\cargoposes_f\anim\pilot_plane_cas_02.rtm differs (looped now 1)! MoveName: pilot_plane_cas_02
Warning: looped for animation: a3\anims_f\data\anim\sdr\idl\knl\stp\low\rfl\aidlpknlmstpslowwrfldnon_g01.rtm differs (looped now 1)! MoveName: aidlpknlmstpsraswrfldnon_g01
Warning: looped for animation: a3\anims_f\data\anim\sdr\idl\knl\stp\low\rfl\aidlpknlmstpslowwrfldnon_g02.rtm differs (looped now 1)! MoveName: aidlpknlmstpsraswrfldnon_g02
soldier[O_Soldier_AR_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[O_Soldier_LAT_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[O_Soldier_LAT_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[O_Soldier_AR_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[O_Soldier_AR_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[B_soldier_AR_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[B_Soldier_GL_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[B_soldier_AR_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[B_Soldier_GL_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[B_soldier_AR_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
soldier[B_Soldier_GL_F]:Some of magazines weren't stored in soldier Vest or Uniform?
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\acc\reticle_hamr.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\acc\reticle_arco_f.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\acc\reticle_arco_f.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\acc\reticle_arco_f.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\acc\reticle_hamr.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
LODShape::AddLoadHandler: Handler not present in shape [a3\weapons_f\empty.p3d]
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_list
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listpreinit
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listpostinit
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listrecompile
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missiontaskslocal
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missionconversationslocal
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missionflow
Warning: Convex component representing wheel_1 not found
Warning: Convex component representing wheel_2 not found
Warning: Convex component representing wheel_3 not found
Warning: Destruction of 4d86dd00# 1593592: highvoltagecolumnwire_f.p3d owned by a static object (4d86dd00# 1593592: highvoltagecolumnwire_f.p3d)
Fresnel k must be >0, given n=2.51,k=0
WARNING: Function 'name' - Mike is dead
WARNING: Function 'name' - Mike is dead
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_list
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listpreinit
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listpostinit
Attempt to override final function - bis_functions_listrecompile
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missiontaskslocal
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missionconversationslocal
Attempt to override final function - bis_fnc_missionflow
DX11 error : CreateBuffer failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
Fresnel n must be >0, given n=0,k=10
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
CreateTexture failed : w = 2048, h = 2048, format = BC3_UNORM, err = E_OUTOFMEMORY.
DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY
Virtual memory total 4095 MB (4294836224 B)
Virtual memory free 2452 MB (2571112448 B)
Physical memory free 4965 MB (5206441984 B)
Page file free 6 MB (6529024 B)
Process working set 1207 MB (1266176000 B)
Process page file used 1251 MB (1312813056 B)
Longest free VM region: 2145816576 B
VM busy 1721954304 B (reserved 216354816 B, committed 1505599488 B, mapped 114143232 B), free 2572881920 B
Small mapped regions: 17, size 77824 B
VID: dedicated: 2128662528, shared 2166239232, system: 0, max: 1702930048, used: 1280929792
ErrorMessage: DX11 error : CreateTexture failed : E_OUTOFMEMORY

[mikeo01]

You're probably fine then in that regard, and it's not a problem I've heard about for the FM2 socket, but the 1336 intel socket is notorious - if you overtighten the HSF you can cause at best a temporary short on the memory lanes which causes problems accessing memory, or at worse bend CPU socket pins which tends to manifest itself in memory errors.

Could be duff CPU, though memory test should clear that one.

Thorough virus scan? In case you brought something across on old data?

An odd BIOS setting? Something that's preventing access beyond a certain lookup table (eg 2.3GB?) Look for options like 'memory hole' or 64bit compatibility etc.

Oh and you are running 64bit version of Windows 8 right?

Ouch I would be gutted if I manage to tightened my chip to death

Memtest86+ passed. I checked with Mbytes and everything is OK.

I had a look through the BIOS and I can't really find anything in regards to that. I remember my old ASUS board did but this one doesn't seem to.

64-bit Windows 8 yeah I had to check then...

I take it you haven't ruled out a borked windows install yet?

I have reinstalled twice which is odd. I may do it against in case. Windows is notorious for that

[satrow]

ARMA logs look like a bad download or install, maybe a Windows permissions issue when ARMA extracts data files.

EDITS/additions:

DX9 is still needed on most Windows versions with DX10+ installed, especially for gaming.

If the HWiNFO data is correct (need a different software to check it again), there's quite a voltage drop in Windows compared to those BIOS figures, out of range for safe usage, imo.

Memtest86+ is best run from a bootable USB - and 7+ full runs are needed to be reasonably sure of a good set of memory sticks/slots.