C2D Overclocking Guide for Beginners

[weedless]

Hi all !! im just wondering which is best performance settings for my c2d e6420, ive got it on stock cooling running at 400*8 =3200mhz with my 667 ram running at 800 and now ive upped the volts on my ram i wana get more speed from my ram but i dont wana go any further with my cpu speed as its running at 50 degrees at load.So im wondering if i lower the cpu ratio to 7x and boost up the FSB will this be better in performance than having it at 400*8

Recently done orthos test and ran for 10 hours at 420*7 with low temps 45degrees

[Dreaming]

Decided to have another go at clocking my cpu up.

At 410 fsb (so 2870mhz) if I run prime95 coretemp 0.95 records the cpu temp around 80*C :|

I guess the e6300 just wasn't meant to clock that fast. I'll be getting a g0 q6600 soon.

Using an artic cooling freezer 7 pro in a case with good airflow :-)

edit: I think there's something up with my cooler, going to re-seat the cooler tomorrow. Clocked it back down to 2.8 ~(when previously it ran through 3dmark06 fine) and the cpu temp is shooting straight away. It looks like the cooler isn't working, I'm confused!

[Dreaming]

Some fiddling with fans later, and I've got it to 39*C idle and 65*C full load (as per two prime95 instances running small ffts).

Sorted!

Now to get back to overclocking. How do you get the memory to run faster? Just more voltage? :/ (the only reason I want to do this is because it's 800mhz, so at 400fsb it's at it's rated mhz, and I reckon I could get the cpu up to 3ghz maybe - just the bloody ram holding me back)

[DA1745]

I've seen/read and been a part of many "Guides" to overclocking...
This is a C/C- attempt. I am dismayed at how well it is received on this site.

You start off very well linking to better written more thorough explanations of terms. Which sets a strong basis that all overclockers need. And then when you begin the actual overclocking meat and potatoes you get very flipid and un-grounded. The way you fail to describe the interplay between FSB and RAM in a concise manner leads to an unending series of questions to which you usually respond its in the guide. You make vague references (at least initially) to what temperatures are acceptable...and you do the same with Voltages, when this is when documented and described on Intel's site.

This guide is supposed to be aimed at beginners and yet you are so loosey-goosey with the (FOUNDATIONS of OVERCLOCKING) that can turn a fun/exciting\fruitful experience into a sad experience due to pushing components to far!

(AN ASIDE: I grew up farming and watched as several of my relatives had some terrible "accidents" that were do to improper understanding or training on equipment.

You simply don't have the ability to describe it in a correct logical thorough way or you don't understand overclocking well enough to be guiding people. Things as simple as how you incorrectly describe applying Artic Silver 5 to C2Duo's...that hasn't been the application method since Pentium 4's. (that you stated). ....Core 2 duos should be applied in a [ l ] manner and quad cores should be applied in a [ + ] direction.

The saving grace is that generally those reading this will rightly not try and push the system too far.

Zak Edit: I fail to see how your farming life can assist here, but we do thank you for being so positive about our readership's intelligence level

[DA1745]

Originally Posted by Dreaming

Decided to have another go at clocking my cpu up.
At 410 fsb (so 2870mhz) if I run prime95 coretemp 0.95 records the cpu temp around 80*C :|
I guess the e6300 just wasn't meant to clock that fast. I'll be getting a g0 q6600 soon.
Using an artic cooling freezer 7 pro in a case with good airflow :-)
edit: I think there's something up with my cooler, going to re-seat the cooler tomorrow. Clocked it back down to 2.8 ~(when previously it ran through 3dmark06 fine) and the cpu temp is shooting straight away. It looks like the cooler isn't working, I'm confused!

Originally Posted by Dreaming

Some fiddling with fans later, and I've got it to 39*C idle and 65*C full load (as per two prime95 instances running small ffts).
Sorted!
Now to get back to overclocking. How do you get the memory to run faster? Just more voltage? :/ (the only reason I want to do this is because it's 800mhz, so at 400fsb it's at it's rated mhz, and I reckon I could get the cpu up to 3ghz maybe - just the bloody ram holding me back)

You need to take your questions to a more advanced forum. Because the OP has put it into your head that the RAM should be focused on simultaneously while adjusting the FSB.

While your processor may be an acception, the E6300 has been clocked comfortably into the 3300 - 3500Mhz range quite often on better air cooled heatsinks. Concentrate on your FSB and clock speed first, to do this loosen your memories timings and either use a pre-selected starting DDR2-### speed as low as you can initially (depends on your mobo) so that as you raise the FSB you stay well under the RAM's stated rating. Essentially set the quest for fastest RAM timings at fastest RAM speed aside for now. Concentrate on your FSB/voltage...other voltage settings FIRST.

Once stable, then go back and tweak the Ram timings/speeds. You will be much better off, that way.
P.S. use google, search artic silver (if that is your thermal compound) and view the application PDF's for your processor type to make sure you didn't just simply place a small dab in the center of the processor and then tighten the heatsink. This can result in overheating.

[Defenestration]

I have a custom built Q6600 G0 based system on Asus P5B Deluxe with 4GB (ie. 4 x 1GB) GeIL PC6400C4 ULL RAM. I have it Oc'd to 3.25 (360 x 9) and the RAM currently set to 720 MHz on 2.1V (ie. the recommended setting for this RAM). This setup has been running stably for the past couple of months.

As the RAM is rated for 800MHz, with many people reporting successes OC'ing it to 900-950, I thought I'd try setting the RAM to 900. However, after doing this I got an error on boot saying it couldn't find ntoskrnl.exe. When I switched the RAM back to 720MHz, it booted fine.

1) Why would OC'ing my RAM cause it not to find a file which is there (is it due to RAM instability ?) ?

2) Could it be down to the RAM not having enough voltage, as I have four sticks ?

If so, is it OK to run the GeIL RAM at 2.2v or 2.3v ?

[aidanjt]

Originally Posted by DA1745

I've seen/read and been a part of many "Guides" to overclocking...
This is a C/C- attempt. I am dismayed at how well it is received on this site.

You start off very well linking to better written more thorough explanations of terms. Which sets a strong basis that all overclockers need. And then when you begin the actual overclocking meat and potatoes you get very flipid and un-grounded. The way you fail to describe the interplay between FSB and RAM in a concise manner leads to an unending series of questions to which you usually respond its in the guide. You make vague references (at least initially) to what temperatures are acceptable...and you do the same with Voltages, when this is when documented and described on Intel's site.

This guide is supposed to be aimed at beginners and yet you are so loosey-goosey with the (FOUNDATIONS of OVERCLOCKING) that can turn a fun/exciting\fruitful experience into a sad experience due to pushing components to far!

(AN ASIDE: I grew up farming and watched as several of my relatives had some terrible "accidents" that were do to improper understanding or training on equipment. <snip>

You simply don't have the ability to describe it in a correct logical thorough way or you don't understand overclocking well enough to be guiding people.

The saving grace is that generally those reading this will rightly not try and push the system too far.

*yawn* How many overclocking articles have you written? It's meant to be a beginners overclocking guide, not a signalling theory class, all but the more enthusiastic folk wouldn't be bothered reading a novel on the subject, it provides the information they need to get started.

Originally Posted by DA1745

Things as simple as how you incorrectly describe applying Artic Silver 5 to C2Duo's...that hasn't been the application method since Pentium 4's. (that you stated). ....Core 2 duos should be applied in a [ l ] manner and quad cores should be applied in a [ + ] direction.

Yes, a textbook AS5 application method, in fact ripped right off the manual on their website. Yummy uneven TIM leaking out over the socket. The spread method takes more skill and patience, but it's ultimately more effective.

I've yet to establish whether you're serious or you're just trolling. Either way, it was a completely unhelpful and useless rant.

[aidanjt]

Originally Posted by DA1745

You need to take your questions to a more advanced forum. Because the OP has put it into your head that the RAM should be focused on simultaneously while adjusting the FSB.

While your processor may be an acception, the E6300 has been clocked comfortably into the 3300 - 3500Mhz range quite often on better air cooled heatsinks. Concentrate on your FSB and clock speed first, to do this loosen your memories timings and either use a pre-selected starting DDR2-### speed as low as you can initially (depends on your mobo) so that as you raise the FSB you stay well under the RAM's stated rating. Essentially set the quest for fastest RAM timings at fastest RAM speed aside for now. Concentrate on your FSB/voltage...other voltage settings FIRST.

Once stable, then go back and tweak the Ram timings/speeds. You will be much better off, that way.

Did you read the OPs post at all?.. You've just said exactly the same thing he did.

[Defenestration]

Originally Posted by Defenestration

I have a custom built Q6600 G0 based system on Asus P5B Deluxe with 4GB (ie. 4 x 1GB) GeIL PC6400C4 ULL RAM. I have it Oc'd to 3.25 (360 x 9) and the RAM currently set to 720 MHz on 2.1V (ie. the recommended setting for this RAM). This setup has been running stably for the past couple of months.

As the RAM is rated for 800MHz, with many people reporting successes OC'ing it to 900-950, I thought I'd try setting the RAM to 900. However, after doing this I got an error on boot saying it couldn't find ntoskrnl.exe. When I switched the RAM back to 720MHz, it booted fine.

1) Why would OC'ing my RAM cause it not to find a file which is there (is it due to RAM instability ?) ?

2) Could it be down to the RAM not having enough voltage, as I have four sticks ?

If so, is it OK to run the GeIL RAM at 2.2v or 2.3v ?

Apologies, I've re-read the guide again and see my questions are already answered.

[Dreaming]

Originally Posted by Steve

Guys, Clunk's masterpiece of a guide has now been published on HEXUS.net - HEXUS.net - Guide :: Intel Core 2 Duo basic overclocking guide for beginners : Page - 1/9

If you've found it to be useful, and want to share it with the rest of the world, then pretty please can you Digg it? I'm sure you can spare the time, seeing how much quicker your systems are at doing things now

Can't digg but I've thumbed up on stumble upon

[Clunk]

Originally Posted by DA1745

I've seen/read and been a part of many "Guides" to overclocking...
This is a C/C- attempt. I am dismayed at how well it is received on this site.

You start off very well linking to better written more thorough explanations of terms. Which sets a strong basis that all overclockers need. And then when you begin the actual overclocking meat and potatoes you get very flipid and un-grounded. The way you fail to describe the interplay between FSB and RAM in a concise manner leads to an unending series of questions to which you usually respond its in the guide. You make vague references (at least initially) to what temperatures are acceptable...and you do the same with Voltages, when this is when documented and described on Intel's site.

This guide is supposed to be aimed at beginners and yet you are so loosey-goosey with the (FOUNDATIONS of OVERCLOCKING) that can turn a fun/exciting\fruitful experience into a sad experience due to pushing components to far!

(AN ASIDE: I grew up farming and watched as several of my relatives had some terrible "accidents" that were do to improper understanding or training on equipment.

You simply don't have the ability to describe it in a correct logical thorough way or you don't understand overclocking well enough to be guiding people. Things as simple as how you incorrectly describe applying Artic Silver 5 to C2Duo's...that hasn't been the application method since Pentium 4's. (that you stated). ....Core 2 duos should be applied in a [ l ] manner and quad cores should be applied in a [ + ] direction.

The saving grace is that generally those reading this will rightly not try and push the system too far.

Thanks for the constructive feedback.

Firstly, I would like to apologise for any emotional distress that my guide may have caused you.

When writing such guides, it is virtually impossible to know if there will be any neurotic individuals that might take something the wrong way, or even completely convince themselves that they have read something when they didn't.

I cant help wondering which part of this guide that you were reading that told you how to apply thermal paste incorrectly.

I would like to refer you to your statement..

I've seen/read and been a part of many "Guides" to overclocking...
This is a C/C- attempt. I am dismayed at how well it is received on this site.

Thanks for the grading, I'm always nervous that I won't pass, but with a couple of C grades, that is fantastic, thanks miss.

You start off very well linking to better written more thorough explanations of terms.

Thanks.

Which sets a strong basis that all overclockers need.

Is that a question?

And then when you begin the actual overclocking meat and potatoes you get very flipid and un-grounded.

This is where I think you have been reading someone elses guide. At no point do I overclock any meat or potatoes. Flipid is a made up word, similar to hoofpipe, only hoofpipe is better.

The way you fail to describe the interplay between FSB and RAM in a concise manner leads to an unending series of questions to which you usually respond its in the guide.

Show me this unending series of posts, I can't see it.

You make vague references (at least initially) to what temperatures are acceptable..

And tell me, what exactly is this magical temperature that we should all have, regardless of any other variables?

and you do the same with Voltages, when this is when documented and described on Intel's site.

So, Intel tell you what voltage to use when overclocking, now do they?

This guide is supposed to be aimed at beginners and yet you are so loosey-goosey with the (FOUNDATIONS of OVERCLOCKING) that can turn a fun/exciting\fruitful experience into a sad experience due to pushing components to far!

Loosey-goosey? Name dropping now are we? Next you'll be mentioning how you are close personal showbiz friends with Turkey-Lurkey.

(AN ASIDE: I grew up farming and watched as several of my relatives had some terrible "accidents" that were do to improper understanding or training on equipment.

Yep, thats why I avoided using a combine harvester in my guide.

You simply don't have the ability to describe it in a correct logical thorough way or you don't understand overclocking well enough to be guiding people.

I'm glad you enjoyed it.

Things as simple as how you incorrectly describe applying Artic Silver 5 to C2Duo's...that hasn't been the application method since Pentium 4's. (that you stated). ....Core 2 duos should be applied in a [ l ] manner and quad cores should be applied in a [ + ] direction.

Wasn't in this guide Goosey.

And just for the record, if you want to be precise about Arctic Silver application, I took this pic from the PDF file on the Arctic Silver website that you can download here.



As you can see from the pic, you were wrong about that as well

[moogle]

I think hes jealous

[DA1745]

Originally Posted by Clunk

Flipid is a made up word, similar to hoofpipe, only hoofpipe is better.

Flipid...it's a city thang' = http www urbandictionary com/define php?term=flipid Urban Dictionary: flipid
Once words enter the vernacular, as truly all words were "made up at one time or another," they soon find their way into dictionaries...

Originally Posted by Clunk

...I cant help wondering which part of this guide that you were reading that told you how to apply thermal paste incorrectly.

I would like to refer you to your statement..

...Show me this unending series of posts, I can't see it.

And tell me, what exactly is this magical temperature that we should all have, regardless of any other variables? Intel specifically sets a ranges for both voltage & thermal limits....

And just for the record, if you want to be precise about Arctic Silver application, I took this pic from the PDF file on the Arctic Silver website that you can download http www arcticsilver com/ins_route_step2intelas5 html

http i44 photobucket com/albums/f18/clunked/as5 png

As you can see from the pic, you were wrong about that as well

For quad core I meant to have this [ -- ] not a [+] I can admit I made a mistake. However, I did of course show the correct display of the Core 2 Duo which is what we are referencing in this forum...unlike a dot in the center of the cpu. [ l ] was/is correct.
http www arcticsilver com/pdf/appinstruct/as5/ins_as5_intel_dual_wcap pdf

Originally Posted by Clunk

I was meaning that the temp seemed a bit high for 1.45v.

If you put a dot of AS5 in the centre of the cpu, when you clamp the heatsink down, itll spread itself. What you dont want is for it to be oozing out of the sides. When you take off the heatsink, there should be an almost see through, almost circular layer on both the heatsink and the cpu, any more is too much, any less is not enough. try it a few times until you get it right, you really only need a bit
...............

Additional thought: From an environmental standpoint turn back on the power saving features in the bios if you turned them off initially to avoid problems while finding the best OC.. Irregardless of what your best overclocking result is you likely don't need to waste the extra power while your system is idling or doing low intensity tasks.

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It was interesting seeing your responses to my post. I guess it depends on how each individual person handles criticism and what they read into each others postings. What my posting lacked in tact and gentility, it made up for (I hoped) in a sincere desire to improve it for Beginners.... My apology on re-reading it as most things I write; I did not intend it to be an insulting or bad mouthing piece about your guide but rather a request poorly stated..................................

[Clunk]

Originally Posted by DA1745

For quad core I meant to have this [ -- ] not a [+] I can admit I made a mistake. However, I did of course show the correct display of the Core 2 Duo which is what we are referencing in this forum...unlike a dot in the center of the cpu. [ l ] was/is correct.
http www arcticsilver com/pdf/appinstruct/as5/ins_as5_intel_dual_wcap pdf

I'm still waiting for you to show me, where in this guide, I mentioned the application of thermal paste in this way.

Additional thought: From an environmental standpoint turn back on the power saving features in the bios if you turned them off initially to avoid problems while finding the best OC.. Irregardless of what your best overclocking result is you likely don't need to waste the extra power while your system is idling or doing low intensity tasks.

At the time of writing this guide, the P5B deluxe was the board of choice, and unfortunately, the power saving features didn't play nicely with an overclocked system, the same goes for the P5K deluxe using the later P35 chipset. So, unless you have some more recent data of your own to bring to the table regarding power saving, your comments are pointless.

You need to realise that this part of the guide was aimed at (quoted from the first few lines of the guide)"people who aren’t necessarily “enthusiasts“, but would like to benefit from the extra bump in speed that can be had by overclocking their Core 2 Duo CPU."

It is not an excercise in power saving, nor a journey into great detail about the finer points of overclocking - it is what it is, A basic overclocking guide to get the average person up and running relatively quickly, without having to resort to reading endless pages of meaningless stats and figures.

It's very easy, if you want to be envoironmentally friendly, don't overclock your system. When you overclock your system, you use more power, and we wouldn't want that would we?

Alternatively, buy a laptop.

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It was interesting seeing your responses to my post. I guess it depends on how each individual person handles criticism and what they read into each others postings. What my posting lacked in tact and gentility, it made up for (I hoped) in a sincere desire to improve it for Beginners.... My apology on re-reading it as most things I write; I did not intend it to be an insulting or bad mouthing piece about your guide but rather a request poorly stated..................................

No offence taken, but I would really like you to show me the Arctic silver application instructions that I apparently did incorrectly, as I can't seem to find them.

[Colossous]

Loosey-goosey? Name dropping now are we? Next you'll be mentioning how you are close personal showbiz friends with Turkey-Lurkey.

Yep, thats why I avoided using a combine harvester in my guide.

[Sticky]

Good guide need three more posts before I can upload screenies tho..............