Which drill?

[neonplanet40]

Hey guys didnt know where to post this

Im looking to purchase a drill. I wont use it alot but i will need it to put up a tv wall mount on a hard wall. So it needs to do that well

So any reccomendations? Also amazon has free delivery and they have loads but im not sure which one is good!

Any info guys? Also dont really wanna spend that much considering i wont use it that much!

Neon

[TheAnimus]

I had hudge problems drilling into my walls (aggregate brick) with a regular hammer drill, the thing was useless, it took about 4 hours to put up the TV in my room.

For the lounge TV (been 52" a fair bit more drilling needed) i bought a cheapish black and decker SDS hammer drill. This thing is the business, it cuts through the wall like butter. I got all 10 anchor bolts inserted in like 15 min. Really recomend it, bought it on a homebase 10% off day, when there was already 25% off on black n decker stuff, so it cost about £60 including googles, face mask (you really need one with SDS) and some bits.

[TheReaFireblade]

Originally Posted by TheAnimus

I had hudge problems drilling into my walls (aggregate brick) with a regular hammer drill...

What make/model was it, 'coz I've never had any problems with my (<£100) variable speed Bosch hammer drill?

@ Neon: This Black And Decker KR703KF Hammer Drill Kit is a good deal @ just £46.00 + delivery (the very same drill is £61.62 on Amazon!)

Or there's this Bosch PBH 2000 RE SDS Hammer Drill for £50 (+ £5.95 delivery) on Amazon.

[floppybootstomp]

Choose Bosch and SDS and you won't go far wrong, I've been using them for years.

Currently using This one. It's very good indeed.

[TheAnimus]

Originally Posted by TheReaFireblade

What make/model was it, 'coz I've never had any problems with my (<£100) variable speed Bosch hammer drill?

@ Neon: This Black And Decker KR703KF Hammer Drill Kit is a good deal @ just £46.00 + delivery (the very same drill is £61.62 on Amazon!)

Or there's this Bosch PBH 2000 RE SDS Hammer Drill for £50 (+ £5.95 delivery) on Amazon.

It was my dad's bosch cordless drill that i'd kinda borrowed. I believe it cost him some £120+, but that might of been his exaggeration to get it back.

Would seriously have to recomend SDS, its just such an amazing difference.

Also i'd probably recomend against a cordless hammer drill if your wall is the more modern (harder to drill) aggregate block, rather than red brick. Consider a cheap and lightweight (easyer to carry) battery drill thats reversible for screwing.

[tiggerai]

My dad (and I) can recommend the tesco version of their cordless hammer drill. It's not expensive and is built really well!

(yes, I own a power tool.. there are no ends to my talents!)

[manwithnoname]

You need a hammer drill of some sort or you'll be there all day drilling into a solid wall.

I got this from argos http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...WER+DRILLS.htm

It's been used to do quite a bit, rewired a house (including drilling out back boxes for all the sockets) gutting a kitchen, and hanging new radiators. Also destroyed a wall with it - intentionally , but it has shattered a few bricks unintentionally. But after about 6 months I got this stuck through a wall http://www.screwfix.com/prods/17627/...ill-12-x-400mm and damaged the drill trying to get the bit out of the wall -it still works just does seem to reach the very top speed any more and it's got a bit of a wobble on it, all my fault. But it's done everything I needed it to do.

I'd recommended this if you've got a couple of jobs to do, or are a bit more careful than me if you want to use it long term.

Get some goggles as a minimum, I'd also recommended a dust mask especially if you will be drilling into red bricks (nasty things)

[floppybootstomp]

Quite funny to see all these non-professional recommendations, lol

I suppose they might be ok for one or two jobs a year.

But, I install sound systems for a living, not home systems, professional ones, and check out the drill I linked to. It's a cordless Bosch and it's three hundred quid. It is also quite superb.

Still cheap though, check out the price of a good Hilti

I reiterate -Bosch and SDS, you won't go wrong.

And by way of mentioning did you know De Walt tools are actually made by Black & Decker?

Everybody percieves Black & Decker as Amateur and De Walt as Pro - one and the same manufacturer.

[TheAnimus]

Originally Posted by manwithnoname

You need a hammer drill of some sort or you'll be there all day drilling into a solid wall.

I got this from argos http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...WER+DRILLS.htm

I had borrowed one of their SDS drills, my wall broke it (yes i know how to use an SDS drill, it wasn't missuse).....

Originally Posted by floppybootstomp

Quite funny to see all these non-professional recommendations, lol

I suppose they might be ok for one or two jobs a year.
....
And by way of mentioning did you know De Walt tools are actually made by Black & Decker?

Everybody percieves Black & Decker as Amateur and De Walt as Pro - one and the same manufacturer.

He said it won't get much use, so these cheaper brands are probably a good bet! De Walt and BnD i was always told the difference was in how you could strip them down and lube them? Casual use black & decker is fine, but if you're going at it day in day out the cut corners will come to haunt you.

I think the main point here is if SDS is required? I found it an amazing difference living in a flat with load bearing aggregate brick walls, but hadn't really needed it up until then.

[blueball]

A cheap SDS will do you well.

As to the B&D / de Walt discussion you will find a big difference in the quality of the compnents used in each (motor/gearbox etc)

[manwithnoname]

Originally Posted by TheAnimus

I had borrowed one of their SDS drills, my wall broke it (yes i know how to use an SDS drill, it wasn't missuse).....

He said it won't get much use, so these cheaper brands are probably a good bet! De Walt and BnD i was always told the difference was in how you could strip them down and lube them? Casual use black & decker is fine, but if you're going at it day in day out the cut corners will come to haunt you.

I think the main point here is if SDS is required? I found it an amazing difference living in a flat with load bearing aggregate brick walls, but hadn't really needed it up until then.

I'm not sure SDS is required, it's the hammer action that's more important IMO.

Let me be clear I'm only recommending that cheap drill from argos because of the OP suggested it would not be used to do much else.

And if the OP is thinking about spending anywhere in the £300 region why not get someone to fit the TV wall mount it's bound to be cheaper.

[neonplanet40]

wow so many replies thanks for your help guys. i definetly wont be spending 300+. i would just get someone else to do it if that was the case

so would this black and D do the job fine ? http://www.mtmc.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=18249

[blueball]

Originally Posted by neonplanet40

wow so many replies thanks for your help guys. i definetly wont be spending 300+. i would just get someone else to do it if that was the case

so would this black and D do the job fine ? http://www.mtmc.co.uk/product.asp?P_ID=18249

In a word. Yes. It may take a few seconds longer than with an SDS drill but it WILL do the job you need to do.

[neonplanet40]

i could get the sds one but it doesnt come with any bits. so i wouldhae to buy them seperate. or does it come with bits and i misread?

[blueball]

Originally Posted by neonplanet40

i could get the sds one but it doesnt come with any bits. so i wouldhae to buy them seperate. or does it come with bits and i misread?

Can't see any bits listed. The B&D will do what you need - even if the wall is very hard it will just take longer. What diameter of holes do you need to make?

[floppybootstomp]

Originally Posted by blueball

A cheap SDS will do you well.

As to the B&D / de Walt discussion you will find a big difference in the quality of the compnents used in each (motor/gearbox etc)

Aye, I suspected that tbh as I've used both.

I still found it amusing that B & D made the De Walt series though

As for the rest of the discussion, no, I'm not seriously suggesting spending £300 on a tool that will be used infrequently, just trying to make the point that there's a lot of cheap sub-quality tools to be bought.

I know, I bought a cordless 18V drill from Wickes several years ago that isn't very good at all, was a complete waste of money. And what was surprising is it was actually made by Draper for Wickes, and I'd always thought Draper were good.

SDS is just a way of fitting the bit. As pointed out, the hammer or percussion action, and the build of the drill itself is more important.

And most SDS drills also come with a normal chuck to take non-sds drill bits as well, a point worth considering.

De Walt and Makita are also good as well as Bosch when it comes to non-professional drills.

Well, whatever you choose - good luck.