A Note From The Hexus Horde

[Big Leon]

Hey people,
Just though I would take some time to write a few comments to you all (as well as borrow a couple from other people, thanks MBlaster and Daverobev)...

Originally Posted by Mblaster

We're not Umbrage with strict rules on how we must all play together, and play certain ammounts of time each day. We are just a bunch of gamers that want to play together. I want to help the rest of you level up....

This is an excellent statement that reflects the nature of our guild. The guild was started so that all Hexus users can be a part of Hexus even whilst playing the game. It enables users to see where your friends and collegues are, what level they have reached and improves trading (along with many more things).

I think some people would like to see organised and forced raiding/instances which is not what we are about. We simply want everyone to have fun. And of course raiding and instances is part of that fun, we just don't want to force people to do something.

People that are higher levels do paste links into the guild chat, not because they are arrogant or trying to show off, because they are proud of what they have achieved. They are not, in any way, try to demean people with lower level characters. Some people have more time to spend on WoW than others, I myself have little time to play at the moment and so won't be leveling as fast as others. If people do feel we are showing off (I know I have posted several links) then I would like to apologise and stress this is definately not the way it was intended.

We are not trying to be the biggest and best guild with 200 level 60 characters all with the very best magic items, we are simply trying to make the Hexus Horde a sucessfull and friendly community just like Hexus is.

As for waving or replying to guild chat comments, daverobev made this comment:

Originally Posted by daverobev

Guys, the only time I don't say hello to people if I'm standing right next to them is if...say I'm organising my backpack and looking at my skill list and my quest log and thinking where I'm off to, and hence don't notice the little line of reddish text in the chat window...I have noticed a couple of times someone has said hello and that I haven't replied immediately, for that exact reason...I have then said hello when I have noticed.

This has happened to me a number of times. It is not ignorance, people simply get so engrossed with the game and miss comments made in the guild chat or emotes flashing up. I can safely say, everyone one I wave at or chat to has replied (in someway) albeit sometimes slightly later as that is when they have seen your comment.

Anyway I really have to get back to my dissertation and I have taken up enough of your time.

Hopefully I will see you all in game soon and please remember we are trying our best to make the Hexus Horde a great place for everyone, it is hard to provide everything that everyone wants as so many people have very different needs.

At the end of the day, try to enjoy WoW as it is a trully awesome game.

Thanks again,
Leon (Thor)

[daverobev]

Arrgh I was trying to get the words right last night and still trying now...

I agree with Leon. I'm playing a l12 hunter now because I like playing the game, really really looking forward to getting cool coloured pets, and doing Rage Fire Chasm on Saturday..because of all the amazing level 15 loot I'll bag!

I just don't know how to explain...that I'm getting enjoyment from playing the game, from getting skill ups, and taking on higher level mobs..than I am, not that are level 62 only...money, yeah it makes life easier, in real life and in game, but I never ever buy stuff off AH unless its enchanting recipes.

Maraudon last night was really cool for me last night, playing with Madocks and Greenpiggy...a pain for GP as he died right at the end and me old druid can only res every half hour...but playing with people I'd not played with, and with hunters (have mainly played with Thor, Velan, Lilith and Slarys this far, which is a really cool team too...pretty much a perfect balance, but not the only perfect balance!).

I'm just really, really enjoying the game, regardless of money, level, equipment even! And hey, wait 36 hours for a decent staff, then three come along at once!

Can't wait to be a l20 dual wielding hunter type with a huge doggy type pal

Ahh...I guess I would be frustrated if I couldn't play much...truth is I'm gonna be off for about 2 weeks after this weekend anyway But hey...when I come back, there'll be people all over the place in terms of levelling, so more people to go a-questing with, which can't be a bad thing...

[Stoo]

As I posted in the other thread:

But look at what Umbrage achieve..
Okay, I know it's a bit unrealistic to assume that that style of play would suit us, because I know it wouldn't (and takes quite a lot of the fun out of the game IMO), but we could take a few cues from them in terms of guild organisation, we started off doing that a bit with Pug and RedPiggy's Herbalism price list, but we've sort of stopped from there..

I propose that we organise at least two instance raids per week, one for the high levellers and one for the lower levellers, another thing which would help would be if more people got onto teamspeak, we can even setup separate quest groups if you like so we don't all end up talking over each other.

Another thing, if you really don't need the cash, it doesn't hurt to give some stuff away now and again for the good of the guild.
If you're in an area where there's a bunch of mobs you can easily farm without thinking about it, farm them for a few minutes for the dropped cloth etc (if the tailors can't use it, then some of the others might need it for levelling up first aid). The same goes for ore, or leather, or anything else that guildies might need.

If needed we can always create a couple of guild "bank" characters, specifically for storing this stuff, it wouldn't take too much time and I think it would add a lot of value into the guild and make us more of a team, rather than a random group of players.


Another thing that was mentioned in chat last night was using the alliance AH as well (which is going to have a lot more stuff on it considering the alliance/horde numbers on Arathor), this could really help the guild out if we can get a reliable way of this working, as we wouldn't be held to ransom of the frankly ludicrous (for many objects) Orgrimmar AH prices.

I think most of this could be accomplished with the minimum of fuss, and wouldn't detract from normal gameplay much, if all, and would make the HEXUS.Horde a real force to be reckoned with!

Now when I say I reccommend two instance raids a week, that's not a "you must attend" type thing, but at least attempt to get a group together. Besides, the high levellers appear to be doing an instance virtually every night anyway.

Another thing, while I agree that we need to keep it informal, there is a time when it becomes too informal that there isn't actually any point in being part of the guild (after all, you have buddy lists in game), and just recently it's seemed that the higher levels were the guild players, and the lower levels were pretty much left to it, and I don't think that's the sort of image we want to be creating.

[ERU]

Anyone who does not have fun in Hexus Horde ... HAS to proof read Leons dissi - muhahahaahaha

All the above is well said but it is glossing over the fact that there are people causing problems. We deffo need a CoC as we are such a big guild and what Leon wrote before was spot on tbh. As for organising raids etc i'm all for that but it would be a shame if we went down the "you have to come or..." or "praccy is at...." route. What i tried to do before was about right but i simply got slated for it and gave up.

All i ask for is people try to get on with other people. Exactly what i have said in previous posts. Having a problem with someone is going to happen (like me/Bertie or me/Tig) but we are all (i hope) decent enougth people to get over it by the next day. In fact me and Bertie play alot now.

I would be lying if i also haven't been thinking of leaving, as i have had some fantastic offers elsewhere todate but have stayed as i wish to at least give things a go and most people are great towards me. On the flip side some people have truly infurated me with some of their actions but i have tried to stay calm and get on with it.

[shout]So come on people start having fun and make an effort to get to know people[/shout]

[Beach]

Fair comments and all well made. I kind of agree with the points made above but I can also understand the way that Allen and others have felt. Some people's expectations are different to others. It's also hard when you join a group of people who then seemingly gallop off and leave you behind somewhat.

That said, there's no way I would want to go down the Umbrage route outlined by Mblaster. That's not my idea of fun. I've spoken to Allen and I've told him that mine was a rash decision to leave Hexus Horde and one that I've had plenty of time to repent. Having read the comments above I feel slightly silly but hey, I made my bed...

Anyway, hopefully all will go well and whilst you may never be the biggest, you may well be the best.

[Big Leon]

Originally Posted by Stoo

Now when I say I reccommend two instance raids a week, that's not a "you must attend" type thing, but at least attempt to get a group together. Besides, the high levellers appear to be doing an instance virtually every night anyway.

I'm not sure whether an instance every night is happening, (I know I certainly haven't done this!) but the point is taken. Everyone who has these elite quests needs to get shouting on the guild chat, or a post in the forum to try and remind people that there are other people trying to do the same instances. I can appreciate there are some people who have very few people to quest with Not a great deal that can be done about that, however several peoples alts will soon be getting to around that level.

And just so everyone knows, the Hexus Horde does have a code of conduct - take a read here

Thanks,
Leon

Edit:

Originally Posted by ERU

Anyone who does not have fun in Hexus Horde ... HAS to proof read Leons dissi - muhahahaahaha

Please do!!

[Mblaster]

Yeah, an instance every night I wish! We we doing them more often before Lilith got his job, I started college again and Makgrosh disappeared... But now it's more like once or twice per week, I just do them whenever I can get a group together. Not bothered who it is as long as we have a healer and some kind of tank (Mattak was doing both last night ) and they are all high enough.

[TiG]

Originally Posted by Mblaster
I don't feel like I have to be 'useful' to the guild?

Thor is this a typo?

TiG

[Allen]

Originally Posted by Stoo

and just recently it's seemed that the higher levels were the guild players, and the lower levels were pretty much left to it, and I don't think that's the sort of image we want to be creating.

That is what my main points of my post are, even though I sometimes get angry and just rant and rave without getting those points across!

Originally Posted by Beach

It's also hard when you join a group of people who then seemingly gallop off and leave you behind somewhat.

This is also what I meant. I know it can't be helped, but I suppose I thought we would be working more as a team to help eachother, rather than racing to reach level 60.

Also, people talk about doing instances, as far as I know, there's 2 at the moment I can do which are worth doing with Rentau and Kerilus, but it's becoming hard to find enough people to do it. People in the lvl 50's are on almost every night which is why you won't have any difficulties getting groups for instances or quests. Sometimes I'm on and I'm the only one in my level range, and to be honest, that's when I lose it when people start talking about blue items and how much gold they make per item, I have certainly felt very distant from the "group".

[Beach]

Originally Posted by Allen

Also, people talk about doing instances, as far as I know, there's 2 at the moment I can do which are worth doing with Rentau and Kerilus, but it's becoming hard to find enough people to do it.

I've said before mate, I'm on [nearly]every night and I'm always willing to help out. Just give me a shout and I'll come join you.

[ravenblood]

hey Allen has i told before, if you need help doing some quests or some instances , give me a "ring" in game , and i will help you gladly.
This week il be mostly in STV or Dustwallow marsh , its just a couple minuts away from RCF or WC

[Mblaster]

Originally Posted by TiG

Originally Posted by Mblaster
I don't feel like I have to be 'useful' to the guild?

Thor is this a typo?

TiG

It wasn't a typo on my part, but I don't know if Thor intented to quote it...

I do try to help out people in the giuld, but I'm not gonna go out of my way doing things to help people like spending a couple hours helping someone 15 levels below me while getting no experience and no items of any use to me.

You'll find there is very little the higher level people can do to help you level up faster, it's just the time spent killing monsters and questing that gives you the exp, and no-one can give you that. Helping with quests is often counter productive as if the person is much higher that you then he'll get 80% of the exp anyway.

[Allen]

Originally Posted by Mblaster

I do try to help out people in the giuld, but I'm not gonna go out of my way doing things to help people like spending a couple hours helping someone 15 levels below me while getting no experience and no items of any use to me.

And what did I say to you last night, TiG? Exactly that. The high level guys won't help becuase there is NO benefit to THEIR chars. That's the biggest problem I've had. In other MMORPG's I've helped those lower than me all the time. One I played, I was 2nd in command of a very large guild that was dedicated to helping newbies to the game. I enjoyed helping them.

There's more ways to help than killing things tbh. I believe I sent Lilith's (or it might have even been Slarys') alt a free 6 slot bag the other day. OK, it's not a lot, but I like to help, even if it was just a small 5s item, and even if their main char could've EASILY afforded to buy much bigger bags and send them to his alt.

TiG helped me and Stoo increase our mining skills last night because we were having major problems finding the right veins to mine. Took him about an hour. Nobody got any experience, but me and Stoo were very grateful for his help and we got our level up so we can now mine Iron. He was also very happy to help us. Fantastic!

[Stoo]

Originally Posted by Mblaster

You'll find there is very little the higher level people can do to help you level up faster, it's just the time spent killing monsters and questing that gives you the exp, and no-one can give you that. Helping with quests is often counter productive as if the person is much higher that you then he'll get 80% of the exp anyway.

But people were talking about "twinking" 2nd chars last night, that is making sure that they get much better EQ etc than they would normally be able to get, in order to help them level up faster. (IE, getting the higher level characters to storm through places farming for items, giving good items away etc).

How come people are helping out with that, but not helping the other guildies?

[Big Leon]

I'm not sure about that Stoo I haven't been on for a few nights.

Just another note - I am more than happy to help people if they need any assistance

[beanbandit]

Originally Posted by TiG

Originally Posted by Mblaster
I don't feel like I have to be 'useful' to the guild?

Thor is this a typo?

TiG

Originally Posted by Mblaster

It wasn't a typo on my part, but I don't know if Thor intented to quote it...

I do try to help out people in the giuld, but I'm not gonna go out of my way doing things to help people like spending a couple hours helping someone 15 levels below me while getting no experience and no items of any use to me.

You'll find there is very little the higher level people can do to help you level up faster, it's just the time spent killing monsters and questing that gives you the exp, and no-one can give you that. Helping with quests is often counter productive as if the person is much higher that you then he'll get 80% of the exp anyway.

Sorry, but with that sort of attitude no wonder people are leaving the Guild!

So if a guild member needs some help your not going to help out if its not worth your effort. So the BIG question is.

Why are you a member of this guild?

This sort of attitude is creating a "them and us" and tbh it STINKS.