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    Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Plans to launch satellites out-of-reach of terrestrial censorship.
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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    If they succeed it will be a monumental step in the right direction.

    While I expect the project to be blocked in some manner I trust the motives for the blocking and the culprits will be revealed which will be a small step towards their goal.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    a monumental step in the right direction
    I am sure they said the same thing in the Russian revolution. Its all well and good having lofty ideals but having us to carry them out is the greatest flaw. These things have to be monitored and would fight to get it monitored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    I am sure they said the same thing in the Russian revolution. Its all well and good having lofty ideals but having us to carry them out is the greatest flaw. These things have to be monitored and would fight to get it monitored.
    What was wrong with the Russian revolution?

    And why do these things 'have to be monitored'?

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    What was wrong with the Russian revolution?
    Far too big a question that I could answer.

    And why do these things 'have to be monitored'?
    Near orbit communication should be regulated. With the amount of space garbage out there already do we really need a bunch of amateurs throwing more garbage into our atmosphere.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    @ Pilgrim_uk

    Amateurs can often be exceptional in their field of choice; the only difference between amateur and professional is that amateurs don't do it for money, something that is often forgotten.

    I would agree with you that near earth satellites should be limited in number. It will become far too difficult to co-ordinate them should they over populate our skies, but that doesn't mean they need to be "monitored" or "regulated".
    Last edited by Noxvayl; 03-01-2012 at 11:34 AM. Reason: Grammar

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    Near orbit communication should be regulated. With the amount of space garbage out there already do we really need a bunch of amateurs throwing more garbage into our atmosphere.
    And who should 'regulate' i.e. decide who should be allowed to do so?

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Well I would presume the country the satellite belongs too should regulate it. Thus each country taking responsibility for it own trash.
    Last edited by Pilgrim_uk; 03-01-2012 at 02:14 AM.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    Well I would presume the country the satellite belongs too should regulate it. Thus each country taking responsibility for it own trash.
    I'd like to see the US try and get China to sign that one - iirc the Chinese tested an anti-satellite weapon on an old satellite of theirs and instead of one fast moving piece of space junk they created many hundreds more smaller pieces....
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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    For something which is trying to overcome regulation, you're suggesting regulating it?

    And as above, amateur says little about level of experience. In fact many experienced radio hams know far more about radio than their professional counterparts, although hams often have radio communication as a profession too.

    Oh and as for each country regulating their own satellites, these ones won't be anywhere near high enough to enter geostationary orbit so they'll be orbiting the planet, crossing other countries' 'airspace'.

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    amateur says little about level of experience
    That works both ways as well but it says nothing on the people involved in the article. Conjecture on both our parts.

    "these ones won't be anywhere near high enough to enter geostationary orbit so they'll be orbiting the planet, crossing other countries' 'airspace'.
    They could be shot down by some countries as they don't like there airspace being "crossed". They may be considered a hazard by some states and shot down for the same reason.

    The US (NASA) has taken the initiative in making an effort in clearing up its own debris. NASA
    Last edited by Pilgrim_uk; 03-01-2012 at 01:23 PM.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    That works both ways as well. Since when does making you a expert ham operator instantly make you an expert of in satellites
    Well I doubt someone who's been interested in the hobby for 3 days and is halfway through his first book on the subject is going to be made chairman.
    At no point in my post did I say being an amateur made you an expert, I was simply arguing your point of view that amateur immediately means inexperienced.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    They will more than likely be shot down by some countries as they don't like there airspace being "crossed". So going by previous posts so anybody should be able to just shoot stuff up into the air and let it patrol the skies unhindered.
    Well I guess you're unaware of the thousands of non-geostationary satellites currently in orbit then? And the many hobby/low-budget satellites such as CubeSats?

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    The US (NASA) has taken the initiative in making an effort in clearing up its own debris. NASA
    Shooting satellites down is very expensive, we're not talking about firing an RPG here. And as dave87 said, if it's not done intelligently you just turn one larger object into thousands of smaller objects, each capable of destroying another satellite...

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Well I guess you're unaware of the thousands of non-geostationary satellites currently in orbit then? And the many hobby/low-budget satellites such as CubeSats?
    Obviously.

    At no point in my post did I say being an amateur made you an expert
    This is true but you said "can be an expert" in that field which I was reminding you it can go the other way.

    Shooting satellites down is very expensive
    Don't seem to remember mentioning this.

    But its an opinion on something I think should be regulated god forbid I should have a different opinion than anybody else.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    Obviously.
    GPS satellites are just one example, they make a complete orbit every 12 hours and there are countries that would rather they weren't there...

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    This is true but you said "can be an expert" in that field which I was reminding you it can go the other way.
    Can != will.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    Don't seem to remember mentioning this.
    Really?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    They could be shot down by some countries as they don't like there airspace being "crossed".

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk View Post
    But its an opinion on something I think should be regulated god forbid I should have a different opinion than anybody else.
    It's a discussion forum so people debate opinions.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    Don't seem to remember mentioning this.
    Really?
    Originally Posted by Pilgrim_uk
    They could be shot down by some countries as they don't like there airspace being "crossed".
    You are taking that out of context. You seem to think I was to referring to cleaning up space regarding this but was in reference to your "crossing other countries' 'airspace'" statement. It was also a suggestion of what countries might do and not a suggestion in how we should be getting rid of satellites.

    The next sentence was in reference to space debris. Please reread.

    The US (NASA) has taken the initiative in making an effort in clearing up its own debris. NASA
    Last edited by Pilgrim_uk; 03-01-2012 at 02:59 PM.

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    Re: Reviews - As SOPA closes in, hackers look to space for the answer

    I know it was about the 'airspace' thing, but as I said, anything that isn't geostationary i.e. the vast majority of satellites, both civilian and military, are not geo-stationary so will pass above other, possibly unfriendly, countries' airspaces - it's just the nature of something in orbit. Satellites don't just float above the country from which they're owned, and even geostationary sats sit around the equator.

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