Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 16 of 23

Thread: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

  1. #1
    HEXUS.admin
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    18,810
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    374 times in 197 posts

    News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Says John Carmack of id software
    Read more.

  2. #2
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    186
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2 times in 2 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Next big think is AI that will learn and environments that will change. I personally don't care about graphics any more. Most recent games look nice as is, just iron out bugs, optimise (GTA IV anyone?), improve physics (i.e. GT5 looks good enough but to see car rolling in a imaginary "twister" instead of real roll and crash is just not good enough) and add some new dimension (where are all promised growing and learning environments?).

  3. #3
    King of the Juice Platinum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Chesterfield
    Posts
    3,327
    Thanks
    503
    Thanked
    66 times in 55 posts
    • Platinum's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte EX58-UD5
      • CPU:
      • Core i7 920 @ 3.8GHz
      • Memory:
      • Kingston HyperX 6gb 1600MHz CL8
      • Storage:
      • 8Tb (6TB Usable) Netgear Readynas RND4000
      • Graphics card(s):
      • KFA2 GTX 580
      • PSU:
      • 750 Watt Corsair HX
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster 590
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Home Premium
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2408WFP
      • Internet:
      • 8Mb

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Gief VR, Screw the disabled unfriendly Kinect.
    Salazaar : <Touching wood as I write this...>

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    Kingdom of Fife (Scotland)
    Posts
    2,701
    Thanks
    175
    Thanked
    99 times in 92 posts
    • crossy's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS M4A89GTD Pro/USB3
      • CPU:
      • AMD Phenom II 1090T / Noctua NH-D14
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Crucial Vengenance DDR3-1600
      • Storage:
      • 60GB OCZ Vertex 2E, 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3, 2TB WD Caviar Green
      • Graphics card(s):
      • XFX 7970 Double D Black
      • PSU:
      • Corsair AX750 (modular)
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster HAF932 (with wheels)
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Pro 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG Flattron W2361V
      • Internet:
      • VirginMedia 60Mb

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum View Post
    Gief VR, Screw the disabled unfriendly Kinect.
    Hmm, and I suspect that Mr Carmack's new "wonder" device will be - like a lot of VR headsets - not really usable if you wear glasses.

    And as to his comment about next gen being "what we already have, but better" I for one would be quite happy to settle for that - as long as the "better" is notably better. More processing power so we could have "smarter" AI would be high up my list of priorities.
    Coalition: a system of government that adds one intellect to another and gets a half-wit as a result

    I want finger extensions ... then I can play this darned guitar properly!

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2003
    Posts
    213
    Thanks
    13
    Thanked
    7 times in 6 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    How many gens away are we from photo-realistc graphics? : )

    Personally I think peripherals are a gimmick and they should always be focusing on making games look more real.

  6. #6
    Senior Member HalloweenJack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1,598
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked
    95 times in 76 posts
    • HalloweenJack's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3
      • CPU:
      • Phenom 1090T @3.6ghz
      • Memory:
      • 2 x Corsair XMS3 1600mhz ram
      • Storage:
      • Crucial M4 128GB SSD + 1xMaxtor 750GB storage
      • Graphics card(s):
      • PCS+ HD 7870
      • PSU:
      • Hiper-R 770/990 peak
      • Case:
      • Lian-li aluminium job ;)
      • Operating System:
      • windows 7 home
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG Flatron 22"
      • Internet:
      • sky fibre 40/10 mbit

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    remind me again what groundbreaking AAA amazing title(s) carmack has made in the last 10 years?



    is that the sound of wind i can hear??

  7. #7
    Registered+
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    37
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    remind me again what groundbreaking AAA amazing title(s) carmack has made in the last 10 years?



    is that the sound of wind i can hear??
    He makes game engines, and idtech4 and 5 blow everything else out of the water in terms of how well they perform.

    Given that, Rage and Doom 3 were awful trainwrecks of misplaced vision and too much emphasis on the tech and not on the experience. Quake Live is great though. Needs id tech 5 version.

  8. #8
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    67
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    2 times in 2 posts
    • zaph0d's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Rampage II Extreme
      • CPU:
      • i7 920(c0) @ 3.8GHz HT Enabled
      • Memory:
      • 3x 2GB + 3x 4GB @ 1450MHz
      • Storage:
      • 5x200 GB Raid 0
      • Graphics card(s):
      • AMD HD 6870 1GB @ 1050MHz
      • PSU:
      • 1200W (can't remember lol)
      • Case:
      • Lian-Li 18" Cube
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • 3x LG 37" 1080p tv's
      • Internet:
      • 17Mbit Sky

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    I think he's right the next gen will give us what the current gen were supposed to ie 1080p 60fps all quality options turned on. This is easily achievable on our PC's but you have to remember that the current gen consoles are about 5-6 hardware generations behind current hardware and the next gen will be roughtly equivalent to last gen hardware hd6970/gtx480 levels.
    A decent VR headset even with a 720p res will be infinitly better than 1080p on a flat screen.
    Especialy if you can get some kind of limb/digit tracking into it as well.

  9. #9
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Posts
    55
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    3 times in 3 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    I would like developers to concentrate on procedurally generated content, like Spore was supposed to do before EA mutilated it. In other words, figure out how to program the computer to generate stuff that is now being hand-crafted by artists. This would reduce development costs (once the technology is in place) and it would allow things that are now all but impossible in many engines (like dynamically changing the environment).

  10. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    155
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    remind me again what groundbreaking AAA amazing title(s) carmack has made in the last 10 years?



    is that the sound of wind i can hear??

    rage doom 3
    2 of the best games i have ever played
    so its not wind your hearing

  11. #11
    King of the Juice Platinum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Chesterfield
    Posts
    3,327
    Thanks
    503
    Thanked
    66 times in 55 posts
    • Platinum's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte EX58-UD5
      • CPU:
      • Core i7 920 @ 3.8GHz
      • Memory:
      • Kingston HyperX 6gb 1600MHz CL8
      • Storage:
      • 8Tb (6TB Usable) Netgear Readynas RND4000
      • Graphics card(s):
      • KFA2 GTX 580
      • PSU:
      • 750 Watt Corsair HX
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster 590
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Home Premium
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2408WFP
      • Internet:
      • 8Mb

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quake 4?
    Salazaar : <Touching wood as I write this...>

  12. #12
    Registered+
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    59
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quote Originally Posted by crossy View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum View Post
    Gief VR, Screw the disabled unfriendly Kinect.
    Hmm, and I suspect that Mr Carmack's new "wonder" device will be - like a lot of VR headsets - not really usable if you wear glasses.

    And as to his comment about next gen being "what we already have, but better" I for one would be quite happy to settle for that - as long as the "better" is notably better. More processing power so we could have "smarter" AI would be high up my list of priorities.
    I've used decent VR headsets and actually the advantage of having screens only inches from your face is that you then don't need to wear glasses to use them

  13. #13
    Registered User
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    6
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked
    0 times in 0 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Oh god, not more peripherals please!

    It feels like for the past ten years we've been bombarded with ridiculous add-ons for consoles to try and make our games feel more interactive, and it only ever leads to a more limited experience.

    I yearn for the days when an updated console meant a huge leap forward in sound, graphics and possible gameplay mechanics.

  14. #14
    Senior Member HalloweenJack's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Posts
    1,598
    Thanks
    25
    Thanked
    95 times in 76 posts
    • HalloweenJack's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3
      • CPU:
      • Phenom 1090T @3.6ghz
      • Memory:
      • 2 x Corsair XMS3 1600mhz ram
      • Storage:
      • Crucial M4 128GB SSD + 1xMaxtor 750GB storage
      • Graphics card(s):
      • PCS+ HD 7870
      • PSU:
      • Hiper-R 770/990 peak
      • Case:
      • Lian-li aluminium job ;)
      • Operating System:
      • windows 7 home
      • Monitor(s):
      • LG Flatron 22"
      • Internet:
      • sky fibre 40/10 mbit

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quote Originally Posted by axis09 View Post
    rage doom 3
    2 of the best games i have ever played
    so its not wind your hearing
    rage is a mess of a failure , of course thats subjective to personal opinion.

    doom 3? tis 8 years old now and has had no support for 5 years (and looks and plays like it) , quake 4 was 2005.

    ok so maybe not quite 10 years - but 7 then (as i really dont count rage as AAA at all)

  15. #15
    King of the Juice Platinum's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Chesterfield
    Posts
    3,327
    Thanks
    503
    Thanked
    66 times in 55 posts
    • Platinum's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte EX58-UD5
      • CPU:
      • Core i7 920 @ 3.8GHz
      • Memory:
      • Kingston HyperX 6gb 1600MHz CL8
      • Storage:
      • 8Tb (6TB Usable) Netgear Readynas RND4000
      • Graphics card(s):
      • KFA2 GTX 580
      • PSU:
      • 750 Watt Corsair HX
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster 590
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Home Premium
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell 2408WFP
      • Internet:
      • 8Mb

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    BTW out of interest, anyone managed to get Kinect to detect you when sat down?
    Salazaar : <Touching wood as I write this...>

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2007
    Posts
    1,502
    Thanks
    19
    Thanked
    55 times in 52 posts

    Re: News - Sony PS4 and Microsoft Xbox 720 won’t be a great leap forward

    Quote Originally Posted by HalloweenJack View Post
    remind me again what groundbreaking AAA amazing title(s) carmack has made in the last 10 years?



    is that the sound of wind i can hear??
    Same old games, new gimmicky controllers?

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •