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    News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Hoping for a turnaround with Windows Phone 8 launching imminently.
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    No surprise really. Also HTC should be pinning their hopes on adding a removable battery and microSD slot to their next android model if they hope to gain market share (I went Samsung over HTC this update for this very reason). I imagine most Windows phone 8 people will be choosing Nokia anyway so I doubt pinning their hopes on WP8 is a good idea (IMHO).

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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Quite possibly the biggest fall from grace for a major company...
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Congratulations agent Elop.

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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    12 months ago I was hoping that Nokia would come back to the market with vengeance and show the world they are capable of making top phones.

    2 months ago they showed of their savour phone..

    2 months later and still nothing, nothing but stupid false advertising, the constant bragging of live tiles and a great camera.

    No available dates, no prices, no nothing...

    This is why Nokia will soon be nothing but a name in the history book... I got a Samsung note 2 instead, loving it.

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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    well apparently they are ment to release dates tonight, starts at 5pm. (real time, you know GMT, because we invented time, it starts here, because here is the centre of the earth).

    I think Nokia and Elop bungled the communication so badly, communication failed internally, it failed to the mobile operators, it failed to the public.

    However, its not fair to blame all this on Elop as the company was broken before he showed up.
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    However, its not fair to blame all this on Elop as the company was broken before he showed up.
    He just left it on the tracks in front of a 5000-tonne freight train doing 100km/h.

    No point in half doing a job.
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Just a shame that Nokia took there eye off the game, its going to take a lot of hard work to try and get back into the top 5.

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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Quote Originally Posted by aidanjt View Post
    He just left it on the tracks in front of a 5000-tonne freight train doing 100km/h.

    No point in half doing a job.
    So what should they have done? The damage to Nokia's in house offering was done before he got there, it was a foolish (in hindsite) decision to go with Intel, they never got a decent, stable linux based offering to compete with Symbian.

    When you can't even beat Symbian on stability, usability and performance, you know your products a turd.

    HTC have suffered from going Andriod, there is little if anything to differentiate them from the market, meanwhile Samsung are producing great bits of hardware at low price points thanks, largely to their tooling from working on iPhones etc. If you look at how HTCs stock has performed from 2011 vs say Samsung, its a sad story. When you then look at sales figures, it gets worse. The desire HD was the last phone they sold in any real quantity, or had much market penitration.

    I think HTCs decision to spend more time on WP if anything shows that Enlops end-game plan is not as flawed as some make it out to be. However he still really bungled going about it.
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    To be honest, Nokia are going to have to deliver now.. not next quarter or year in IMHO. I can't but help being made to feel a bit silly waiting for them and MS to deliver.
    Just looked on Amazon and there are quite a few cheap WP7.5 phones on there, such as the HTC Radar going for about £120ish and the Nokia Lumia 800 for £190. I really am tempted just to get one of these and then get a tablet for work etc.

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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    I'm hoping the new Lumias will set Nokia back onto the righteous path. So much so I was looking forward to buying a 920 when the are finally released (any news on that date btw?). That was until I saw the pricing for the new Nexus 4. I could justify going WP8 and Nokia over Android based on the fact I don't do anything that clever with my current Android phone, and I fancy a change. I kind of accepted there would be less in the way of apps and toys. But to get less, and no doubt pay significantly more? Now I'm having second thoughts...

    The pricing for the new Lumias had better be damn competitive or I can't see it working out for Nokia
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    I said ages ago that Nokia were doing too little and too late and betting the farm on MS was going to hurt them really badly, but people just kept on saying watch and see, they'll be huge! Can't see it now, couldn't see it then...they are finished as far as being a top mobile phone maker is concerned for me
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    I know year-on-year is preferred but sequential is also useful so here it is

    2nd quarter 2012

    Samsung - 50.2 million - 6.1 million increase

    Apple - 26 million - 900,000 increase

    Nokia - 10.2 million - 3.9 million drop

    HTC - 8.8 million - 1.5 million drop

    ZTE - 8 million - 500,000 drop

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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    HTC have suffered from going Android, there is little if anything to differentiate them from the market
    Hardly, Android sales made them a household name... What about Beats Audio integration and Sense? OK so Sense needs work as a RAM hog but the HTC/Android version is different from default or Samsung.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheAnimus View Post
    meanwhile Samsung are producing great bits of hardware at low price points thanks, largely to their tooling from working on iPhones etc.
    The CPUs (of a different design) and RAM (no longer bought by Apple) they make anyway? Doubt iPhone has much bearing, most of the work there is done by Foxconn not Samsung.


    Samsung hit jackpot with their physical designs, software builds and marketing, I doubt it's down to individual hardware features like missing an SD card slot or removable batteries (which haven't stopped iPhone...), the real fact is outside of nerds most of the population would ask someone else to change their battery and wouldn't know an SD card if it got stuck in their eye.

    Samsung got the prices right, got the mindshare and did well, HTC got a few bad reviews of some buggy and slow software, lost the mindshare and didn't look as good at the same price points - simple.


    Nokia must "go Apple" IMHO, simplify the range and create a premium feel comapred to similar priced competition, they can draw on their superior maps, camera and make great fuss over the basics - aerial, reception quality etc. Their industrial designers and manufacturing are still good and they need to encourage and nurture the Windows ecosystem, make no mention of any other OS to confuse the issue and just then hope that WP8 takes off and they grab a hefty slice of that market. If we end up with Android ~50%, iOS and WP8 on around 20% each as a few analysts predict then and the others grabbing 10% or so then Nokia could maybe grab up 50-75% of the WP8 market and still be accounting for 10-15% of overall smartphone sales, which is enough to sustain a slightly shrunken company, especially if feature phones continue to decline and the market goes near 100% smart.
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    Re: News - Nokia no longer in worldwide smartphone top five

    Phones4u have announced pricing. 920 can be had for 31pm on contract, likewise HTC 8X.

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