Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
- My S3 arrived absolutely littered with 'System' apps (really? Flipboard needs to be a system app?). Perhaps this is Samsung wisdom rather than Google's.
Samsung specific, however these apps can be hidden if they bother you that much, or at least they can on my HTC. Besides, i thought u weren't talking about supplied application? This is replaceable if desired.
I would say a friggin flipboard app is considerably less annoying than an entire maps application thats not worth squat.
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
- Scrolling around apps is a disappointingly choppy experience compared to iOS - especially for such a powerful handset.
I have seen iOS act pretty choppy aswell once there is a few things running in the background. Previously android has been a blot more choppy, but 4.1 Actually improves this a lot, alternative launchers can perform better than the default one aswell.
One thing people say to me when they see it go a bit choppy is... watch my iphone doesnt do that and im like... yeah but that's just a load of icons for apps, not widgets running actual programs. iPhones DO NOT have this feature and until they do you have to compare app draw to app draw which is in the most part, exactly the same.
I imagine widgets are a pretty difficult thing to get working smoothly which is why iOS doesnt have them yet. In my mind this puts apple behind android, significantly.
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
- The sound system has major bugs (as I mentioned in my last post)
Major for you... if it was major for the masses it would have been fixed. Don't think i experience it and if i do, it doesn't bother me.
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
- An S3 specific gripe, but battery performance on a day to day basis is no better than the iPhone 4 - which isn't necessarily a problem, but I was promised so much more and all online advice suggests that I need to download third party apps to fix it (which I now have. God bless JuiceDefender). Still, I shouldn't need to use third party apps.
Smartphone specific gripe really, all of them could do with working on battery life although remember the screen is pretty big and pretty bright on the S3. Takes a fair amount of power to juice that up, apple dont have anything near that kind of screen size to drive. Dont really see the problem with using 3rd party apps to imporve your battery life, especially when (and feel free to correct me) the comparative solution doesn't exist in iPhone world.
I would also add inter-app integration into the mix, iOS doesnt do a very good job of this (outside stock apple apps) at all whilst android is decent-ish. Not great and i have found a few annoying things with it recently but its got a decent starting point.
Still waiting for the 'million miles away' example if im honest mate. Pretty even playing field where each take hits in different areas, personal usage determines which of these hits affects you most.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
Still waiting for the 'million miles away' example if im honest mate. Pretty even playing field where each take hits in different areas, personal usage determines which of these hits affects you most.
Don't mistake me as trying to present my own opinions as FACTS, I'm just saying that as a long term iOS user who was persuaded to try something different, the Android experience isn't all it was hyped up to be at all.
Do I regret swapping? No, I was genuinely bored of iPhones, but I maintain that I find Android to be a far less mature and less polished experience than iOS. Your mileage may vary.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
brasco
Nope and nope. I was talking about anyone in the market for an Iphone held off for the release of the 5 so their sales would be lower than usual during those months. The better phones to be had was referring to better phones than the Iphone 5 (**IMO), so you can chill ;) Even if I had meant iphone 5 is better it's all subjective anyway. Never take to heart what's said on forums, try things for yourself.
Sage words which I'm going to agree with totally. In fact my "the iPhone5 isn't better than the S3" was intended to convey my opinion that while each of these devices has strengths over the other, all told they're probably as good as each other.
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
Don't mistake me as trying to present my own opinions as FACTS, I'm just saying that as a long term iOS user who was persuaded to try something different, the Android experience isn't all it was hyped up to be at all. Do I regret swapping? No, I was genuinely bored of iPhones, but I maintain that I find Android to be a far less mature and less polished experience than iOS. Your mileage may vary.
I'm going to reiterate something Biscuit says - get thee to JellyBean. The smoothness IS undoubted increased - butter smooth perhaps.
I've been lucky and managed to avoid all of the issues you state - no, in my case my pet hate is the battery raper that is Google Now, the vampire-like (doesn't like sunlight!) screen and the camera (but then again I've been spoiled - my old SE X10 had a superb camera, especially outdoors).
I'm interested to hear what the issue with Flipbook is - granted Samsung fills the S3 with a lot of crap (which the teleco's add to - hence why I got a SIM free) but it's only an app, so dead easy to just ignore. I've got my S3 rooted for Titanium Backup (rooted with chainfire's "simple" method) and TB allows me to zap any damned app I take a disliking to.
Funnily enough one thing that I did dislike about the S3 was all the pre-launch hype. If you believed half of the "confirmed rumours" then the resulting device bears only a passing resemblance to what was eventually delivered. I'd love to see Samsung USA do a comedic ad set for the S3 akin to the one for the Note that cumulated with the "I believe ..." ad that was shown in the Superbowl.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
Don't mistake me as trying to present my own opinions as FACTS, I'm just saying that as a long term iOS user who was persuaded to try something different, the Android experience isn't all it was hyped up to be at all.
Do I regret swapping? No, I was genuinely bored of iPhones, but I maintain that I find Android to be a far less mature and less polished experience than iOS. Your mileage may vary.
When people say to me, 'what phone should i get?' (which happens a lot) if its an iPhone user i tend to say, get another iPhone.
In most cases i know that once they got used to it and learned the right apps to substitute what they are used too, android would be a more cost effective, and perhaps more efficient solution. The problem is that its just not worth the effort (for them or me as the un-appointed support dude) in the long run for the less technological adventurous members of the public.
My original comment was that saying android is a million miles behind WRG to polish is untrue, so far im yet to see anyone come up with any real evidence that this is the case, other than comments about very vague or unfair comparisons of the OSes.
Feel free to hold your opinion, but be prepared for it to be challenged, especially on this forum...
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
When people say to me, 'what phone should i get?' (which happens a lot) if its an iPhone user i tend to say, get another iPhone.
In most cases i know that once they got used to it and learned the right apps to substitute what they are used too, android would be a more cost effective, and perhaps more efficient solution. The problem is that its just not worth the effort (for them or me as the un-appointed support dude) in the long run for the less technological adventurous members of the public.
My original comment was that saying android is a million miles behind WRG to polish is untrue, so far im yet to see anyone come up with any real evidence that this is the case, other than comments about very vague or unfair comparisons of the OSes.
Feel free to hold your opinion, but be prepared for it to be challenged, especially on this forum...
As on any forum, I encourage opinions to be challenged. Respectfully, you haven't really challenged my opinion.. rather you've written it off as not bothering the vast majority of people there therefore probably not a big problem. As a professional software developer myself, this troubles me - especially where bugs are concerned (and I can assure you, there are pages and pages and pages of forum posts concerning the headphones bug). Clearly it's troubling enough people.
Regardless, this is where I'll make my exit. I'm sure we could continue like this all month but, with all due respect, I was wary of wading into this from the moment I noticed your avatar ;)
I'm more than sure my S3 will give me many years of happy use, as my iPhone did, and handsets prior to those.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
As on any forum, I encourage opinions to be challenged. Respectfully, you haven't really challenged my opinion.. rather you've written it off as not bothering the vast majority of people there therefore probably not a big problem. As a professional software developer myself, this troubles me - especially where bugs are concerned (and I can assure you, there are pages and pages and pages of forum posts concerning the headphones bug). Clearly it's troubling enough people.
Your opinion that i disagreed with was that android is its a million miles behind in polish and finish, which i have provided plenty of evidence to support. The bug regarding the headphone issue was part of your evidence to support your opinion and i disregarded it because i have never heard about it before and it really doesn't sound all that major, just pretty annoying.
Even when i google it there are not the kind of hits you would expect for a, 'Major Bug'. From what i can find this was introduced in ICS (so is not long-long standing) and i cant find anything about it in jellybean, so it may well have been fixed now?
Regardless, If this is your only evidence which doesn't have a clear rebuttal, i think you have proved my point that saying android is 'a million miles away' is hyperbole.
On the flip side, if i google iOS secured wifi bug.... hmmmm, WIFI i would put as a pretty major bug!
It troubles me that in a reasonable argument, serious iOS issues are skimmed over repeatedly yet the same is not allowed to be done for android issues.
More is and should be expected of apple because they products are priced and advertised as the best.
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
Regardless, this is where I'll make my exit. I'm sure we could continue like this all month but, with all due respect, I was wary of wading into this from the moment I noticed your avatar ;)
Yes you made it clear that you had stamped me with a stereotype before you thought about what i had actually said, but its a fun picture!
Not sure we could argue about it all month because there is very little to argue. Besides, i have very careful to not deliberately mac-bash unnecessarily, i have put reasoned and fair points forward and repeatedly requested the same in return.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
Not sure we could argue about it all month because there is very little to argue. Besides, i have very careful to not deliberately mac-bash unnecessarily, i have put reasoned and fair points forward and repeatedly requested the same in return.
Mac-bashing is something I could get on board with ;)
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
AlexKitch
Mac-bashing is something I could get on board with ;)
plenty of threads full of mac-tards on hexus for that too. Its even easier once you have owned one and have first hand evidence of how poor they really are :D
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
When people say to me, 'what phone should i get?' (which happens a lot) if its an iPhone user i tend to say, get another iPhone.In most cases i know that once they got used to it and learned the right apps to substitute what they are used too, android would be a more cost effective, and perhaps more efficient solution. My original comment was that saying android is a million miles behind WRG to polish is untrue, so far im yet to see anyone come up with any real evidence that this is the case, other than comments about very vague or unfair comparisons of the OSes.
Feel free to hold your opinion, but be prepared for it to be challenged, especially on this forum...
Quite true - I've often asked iFans (note - as opposed to people who happen to have an iPhone) for examples of where their magical mobile is better than my S3, and I usually get:
- An example of one or two apps that either don't exist on Android or are notably more "immature"
- The statement that "you've got to know about rooting and Linux and s**t" (no!)
- It just is - after all all phones are poor copies of the iPhone (no!)
Personally I think the "debate" is a bit redundant these days - Android's got some faults, but so has iOS - so in reality they're probably equally as good (or bad) as the other. If I was in the market for something like a Nexus phone or an HTC One X then I can't see any real objection to putting an iPhone5 on the list as a possibility.
On the other hand, I put a premium on the uSD slot and removable battery of my S3, which is why I've not considered an iPhone, HOX, etc.
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
plenty of threads full of mac-tards on hexus for that too. Its even easier once you have owned one and have first hand evidence of how poor they really are :D
Seriously? :o I am surprised - I've not owned a Mac, but brief hands on have left me generally impressed. And of course OS X is basically Unix with a fancy GUI, which wins points from me from the get-go. The Mac Mini, on the other hand, doesn't appeal that much, apart from as a way of getting OS X without a second mortgage - the MM strikes me as something that I could duplicate cheaper with a suitable collection of MiniITX type parts.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
crossy
Quite true - I've often asked iFans (note - as opposed to people who happen to have an iPhone) for examples of where their magical mobile is better than my S3, and I usually get:
- An example of one or two apps that either don't exist on Android or are notably more "immature"
- The statement that "you've got to know about rooting and Linux and s**t" (no!)
- It just is - after all all phones are poor copies of the iPhone (no!)
Personally I think the "debate" is a bit redundant these days - Android's got some faults, but so has iOS - so in reality they're probably equally as good (or bad) as the other. If I was in the market for something like a Nexus phone or an HTC One X then I can't see any real objection to putting an iPhone5 on the list as a possibility.
On the other hand, I put a premium on the uSD slot and removable battery of my S3, which is why I've not considered an iPhone, HOX, etc.
Yeah you're pretty much on the mark!
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Originally Posted by
crossy
Seriously? :o I am surprised - I've not owned a Mac, but brief hands on have left me generally impressed. And of course OS X is basically Unix with a fancy GUI, which wins points from me from the get-go. The Mac Mini, on the other hand, doesn't appeal that much, apart from as a way of getting OS X without a second mortgage - the MM strikes me as something that I could duplicate cheaper with a suitable collection of MiniITX type parts.
For me the shine wore off quite quickly. I had to get sooooo many bits replaced because it repeatedly broke. I went through 5 DVD drives and then eventually when i sold it... it didnt work. I sold t to a mate without a working DVD drive or a hard drive and he managed to get it going with an SSD though, as far as i know its still running. To be fair it should be, its an entire new laptop from when it was new.
The friggin magsafe power supplies aswell, went through crap loads of them. Terrible design!
The fact that OSX is basically BSD ( ;) )with a fancy gui is what made it kinda annoying for me. Felt like a messy install as soon as you had switched it on and done a bit of exploring. There are some things you can do on there which i miss and have been tempted to build a hackingtosh to get back at it!
The build quality is pretty average and once you have torn it down you see that there is corners cut and compromises made, especially with the newer ones that are basically impossible to service yourself.
I dont even know if they still use the fancy IPS screens that they used to use, i know there was a spell of people complaining about how bad TN panels were that they were using but im not sure if they have gone back to the better days.
Re: News - Samsung's Galaxy S3 sells over 30 million units in 157 days
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
For me the shine wore off quite quickly. I had to get sooooo many bits replaced because it repeatedly broke. I went through 5 DVD drives and then eventually when i sold it... it didnt work. I sold t to a mate without a working DVD drive or a hard drive and he managed to get it going with an SSD though, as far as i know its still running. To be fair it should be, its an entire new laptop from when it was new.
What on earth did you do to it to go through 5 DVD drives? I struggle to kill DVD drives these days in anything, even the relatively fragile slot-loader in my oldest MBP - which I disassembled and reassembled a fair few times to change the hard disk.
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
The friggin magsafe power supplies aswell, went through crap loads of them. Terrible design!
This one I'll give you - I had this issue with the older straight magsafe connector. The right angle connector with more modern Macs I've not managed to damage yet, and the magsafe 2 connector with the latest seems ok so far.
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Originally Posted by
Biscuit
The fact that OSX is basically BSD ( ;) )with a fancy gui is what made it kinda annoying for me. Felt like a messy install as soon as you had switched it on and done a bit of exploring. There are some things you can do on there which i miss and have been tempted to build a hackingtosh to get back at it!
The build quality is pretty average and once you have torn it down you see that there is corners cut and compromises made, especially with the newer ones that are basically impossible to service yourself.
I dont even know if they still use the fancy IPS screens that they used to use, i know there was a spell of people complaining about how bad TN panels were that they were using but im not sure if they have gone back to the better days.
Build quality was a definite issue in the older MBPs, it's got a lot better with the unibody designs. My current MBP (retina 15") has an IPS panel, but my older two (one was a 2007 model that got stolen, one was a 2010 model that got sold on ebay) both had TN. The TN screens were not the worst laptop screens I've seen by a long distance, but not the best either. I have no complaints about the new retina MBP's screen.
