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About LinkBacksProblem is console development doesn't really bleed into PC that much - fixed spec is nice, you have to build to a much heterogeneous environment on PC.
Problem is console development doesn't really bleed into PC that much - fixed spec is nice, you have to build to a much heterogeneous environment on PC.
What could possibly entice a games developer to develop on an architecture like say, Maxwell, when you could just develop on GCN and have instant near 100% compatibility between the current gen consoles and slightly under half the PC market? We are literally talking a market share difference of around 10-1 (in AMD's favour) for Ubisoft here. Why develop for Nvidia's relatively tiny PC market share, ignoring all the nice compute-based GCN stuff that is in the consoles? You wouldn't.Originally Posted by kalniel
So let's say you're making use of that stuff (this takes time btw, the consoles are still quite "new" but they are quickly starting to use aspects of GCN), it's not like you're going to remove it for PC is it? Nvidia cards can't do this stuff, they don't have the required hardware. Rather than AMD having to convince devs to optimise for GCN, it's Nvidia who has to convince them *not to*.
The point of articles like these and so many others is to convince you that AMD is failing and will soon have so little market share that devs will stop even trying to optimise for their cards. Well that couldn't be further from the truth - the facts are AMD has to do nothing because the games are being developed on GCN anyway. It's Nvidia who has to convince devs to "optimise" for their cards.
You know what they say about the bigger the lie? Well that's what the tech press is all about - convincing you about the lie of Nvidia's vastly superior market share, when in fact it's the opposite. Convincing you about Nvidia's superior drivers, which don't exist and so on.
No such thing. PC environment is so different from console that sharing one/several component(s) makes no difference. The difference in PC specs demands a completely different development style.
What exclusive GCN features are you talking about here? Can you give an example?So let's say you're making use of that stuff (this takes time btw, the consoles are still quite "new" but they are quickly starting to use aspects of GCN), it's not like you're going to remove it for PC is it? Nvidia cards can't do this stuff, they don't have the required hardware.
Yes but they're not going to put stuff into a console game then just remove it when it works well for half of the PC market? It's Nvidia who will have to deal with this.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9124/a...ronous-shadingWhat exclusive GCN features are you talking about here? Can you give an example?
Console VR (Morpheus) will almost certainly employ AMD techniques like late-latching as well.
Doesn't that link show that Maxwell2 has this but even more powerfully?
No, but it's what Nvidia and the tech press would like you to believe.
Well I bow to your superior knowledge and look forward to these things appearing universally in the future thenThough, March was already some time ago.
Actually,Ryan Smith got confused about the specs,so the table is wrong,and this is despite multiple people telling him. Even on Anandtech forums they were talking about it:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...25&postcount=6
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...2&postcount=10
In fact,if you look at the PS4 GPU,you will notice something familiar:
http://techreport.com/news/24725/ps4...-amd-processor
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 21-08-2015 at 12:47 AM.
OK so it's probably not more powerful, but they do have it.
Just throwing this out there but has anyone seen this tech of tomorrow video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsRlKm5Oq_8
Anyone think that this kind of information might change things for in the future and bring AMD back?
Last edited by ste852; 21-08-2015 at 10:05 AM. Reason: typo
It's to early to know for sure, but I don't think DX12 is going to be the savior of AMD, at best DX12 is going to be more of a benefit on systems with lower end CPUs and not on the high end CPUs that most benchmarks seem to have used, IIRC it reduces draw calls, something that in the past has been worked around via drivers, it's probably why AMD sees such a big jump and Nvidia less so.
What is (IMHO) going to bring AMD back is ZEN core CPUs and Arctic Island GPUs, both of those (for me) are way more interesting than anything Intel & Nvidia have in the pipeline.
I feel like this "Amd have bad drivers" thing is a really old stigma that people keep perpetuating. It's kinda hard to judge the validity of most people's claims as we don't know how knowledgable they are. Did they buy a secondhand, knackered Amd card one time, then make their decision based on that, or are have they used a lot of good condition gpu's and are sure there isn't something else wrong with their setup? How up to date is their opinion? I've actually got a situation right now where I've had 3 new sets of ram from Corsair, yet I keep getting memory related errors and blue screens. Do I just say Corsair makes crap ram? No. I'm going to rma my motherboard because I think that could be causing the issue.
So there's stuff like that which can happen. Then we have others who just regurgitate what they heard someone else say when it comes to advice, yet they don't really have the experience to know what they're talking about. This is something you see a lot of on tech forums, or anywhere else for that matter. I've probably done that myself at times. Not saying it to be judgemental.
Now when it comes to Linux, I really don't know. I have a bias towards advice from Linux users as I believe they're more clued up than Windows users, in general. And from what people say, it does give the impression that Nvidia have better driver support than Amd on Linux. I don't have enough experience to make a decent comment though. But, with Windows, I do. And my experience doesn't tell me that Amd drivers are worse. The only thing I preferred about Nvidia drivers was the options in the control panel, at least a few years back anyway. Amd have improved CCC since then and I like it more.
All that aside, it's not good to see these reports of Amd declining. I've been having this feeling for a while that another company is going to step in and invest. If that doesn't happen, maybe Amd should run some Kickstarter campaigns
CAT-THE-FIFTH (21-08-2015)
Are the ZEN core and Arctic Island Chips looking like they are going to have significant gains over the current architecture? Just wondering because I haven't really been keeping up to speed with it all for a while now.
Yes, as always, new stuff is better than current stuff.
It's a bit more complicated than that which is why I didn't go into it.
They have "something" but it's not the same. In fact it's inferior in every way, which is why they aren't talking about it at all while AMD is.
Haha here we go again with Jimbo75 spouting all kinds of sh*te about how much more he supposedly knows about Graphics Card manufacturers and also his undying, blind Fanboyism towards AMD.
Watch out everyone, he is really smart you know.....
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