I'm not sure people are in general, but you are talking about a $649 card for $379 like for like, which is pretty neat in a year especially if you like nVidia.Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH
They're not nVidia cards though - I don't think you'll find AMD affectionados are all that excited about the 1070.That is 20% faster than a £300 R9 390X and barely 10% faster than a Fury Nano according to TPU.
It isn't a $649 card for that price. The GTX980 cards tested are all reference cards which run slower - all cards actually available boost higher. So it is not that neat you are probably gettng a 15% improvement and after nearly TWO YEARs - the GTX980 launched in September 2014,or basically 22 months ago. Most GTX970 cards are reference GTX980 speeds anyway.
Plus remember,the pound is much weaker now - so the actually price is not massively different. The Founders Edition GTX1070 will probably be closer to £400 and the GTX980 was just above £400 at launch.
So basically you pay $449 dollars for a 20% to 25% uplift over a $330 one and that is comparing it to a GTX970. Yawn - told you people's expectations are low,or you are paying about the same price for a 15% uplift.
You do realise the GTX970 was far more impressive - it nearly matched the GTX780TI on the same 28NM node,whilst being $260 cheaper and drawing less power. It was bascially 35% faster than a GTX770 on the same node.
So after two years and a 1.5 node shrink on a second generation 16NM Finfet process over 28NM,with near double density and massive power consumption reductions.
Meh.
The only way the GTX1070 will look good if it is actually faster than a GTX980TI and under £350.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 18-05-2016 at 02:17 PM.
That doesn't seem beyond all possibility from a third-party.
It better be,otherwise it will be extremely dissapointing and relying on masses of marketing to make it look any good and it is not going to be helped by the reviews mostly quoting USD price,as the weak pound is compounding things even more.
If Nvidia does decide to have a GTX980TI level GTX1070 at £350 to £400,it will only encourage AMD to jack the price up of Polaris 10.
Plus the GTX1060 and the GTX1060TI under £300 would look rubbish - we need the second tier high end cards to be reasonable performance.
It is why I have been utterly unimpressed by cards like the Fury X and GTX1080 ATM,in terms of how they have been priced.
Performance has stagnated for the last few years.
They only really serve the purpose of artificially inflating the price of the entire range under it,and then making poor value cheaper cards look decent value.
This is why the pricing of the GTX1070 is even more important than that of Polaris 10 in some ways.
If it is better than a GTX980TI at £300 to £350,it will mean it will bookend the price of the GTX1060TI,GTX1060 and Polaris 10 cards to a more reasonable level.
nVidia can't be blamed for that! It affects both makers equally and is completely out of their hands. They produce a card for a dollar-differentiated market segment primarily.
Which is what I'm saying AMD want in order to help their bottom line. Both makes have been extremely good to each other this round. The fighting starts next yearIf Nvidia does decide to have a GTX980TI level GTX1070 at £350 to £400,it will only encourage AMD to jack the price up of Polaris 10.
You are saying that - I am not. What I am saying is that UK reviews do at times go by US RRP,which is not reflective of UK pricing,which is rather annoying. So looking at USD to USD pricing is not really relevant for UK reviews.
Which also proves how dissapointing these cards might be and why consoles are having booming sales. Graphics cards shipments are declining year on year,and only have been compensated by people spending more on cards as the performance increases become worse pound for pound.Which is what I'm saying AMD want in order to help their bottom line. Both makes have been extremely good to each other this round. The fighting starts next year
It also has a knock on effect on how much tech is pushed in games - W3 would have looked better if more people had capable cards. The game looked like it was downgraded visually over initial previews.
So this is why I hope the GTX1070 is better than a GTX980TI.
Last edited by CAT-THE-FIFTH; 18-05-2016 at 02:45 PM. Reason: Performance might be better!!
Is it me or have the tflops numbers changed for the 1070/1080 since the original event?
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
I believe Hexus mashed some of the specs to come up with the number. Technically speaking the GTX1080 has nearly 40% higher peak TFLOPs and 25% more memory bandwidth.
The GTX1070 might be able to boost higher,so hopefully means in reality its not so far apart.
Fair point - we'll see when cards are in UK shops as to whether the reviews then list UK pricing.
I'm going on nvidias own slides I watched the nvidia event from different american youtubers who showed or reported the 1080 atleast have 9 tflops but now its 8.2.
"A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in."
Good news if the 1070 can get close (at a lower price point) to an 980ti overclocked to 1400MHz but not clear it can do that.
Founders-edition is an affront to users commonsense IMHO and maybe a better nam would be early-adopters-mug-tax would be more apt.
Should be 8.2 base, 8.9/9 at boost.
And for the 1070 5.8/6.45
Depends on your definition of really significant, I suppose!
For me it would need to make the difference between a game being unplayable and playable to warrant that kind of outlay. But I'll freely admit that a lot of enthusiasts are willing to pay more for less than I am.
"As a reminder the Nvidia GeForce GTX 1070 Founders Edition card will become available on 10th June for $449, with the board partner custom design versions being released at $379 or so, a few weeks late"
Dunnnnnoo.......... I think we are being setup for a price increase... Normally the baseline/reference card is set at a price, i.e. GTX1080 Founder Edition at 699.00 and Partner's unit at 599.00. it may start out this way but in the end, this just gives the partners to have their pricing the same or higher than the baseline/reference giving us excuses how much better their design that it should warrant it.
Personally I think over the years, the pricing of video cards are just getting way out of hand, where once you were paying 300.00 for the very top of the line and for the midline like the 970, you were paying around 180.00~240.00. Next thing you know we will end up having to spend 600.00 for a middle of the line video card.
My opinion that they are pushing the limits of how much the market will bear and what we are willing to pay. I don't blame them but geezzzzz... This just make my interval of upgrades gets stretched out way longer. So in the end, they get less money if I don't upgrade. I bet if the pricing was way lower, we all be upgrading more frequently versus skipping 1, 2, or 3 rounds.
Currently I have a GTX670 which at the time I paid 264.00. now two versions later we are talking 380~450.00???? oh come on... with a price hike of 120.00 from my GTX670... I may just sit it out as it runs well with BF4.
and don't tell me inflation either... it probably only cost them 20 bucks to make it (just being facieses)
This is standard for all technology companies unless the consumer is at the forefront of demand and has the capital. You can't expect any of these companies to release their best technology as soon as it becomes available, it's just not economically viable and there's nothing unethical about it. A far cry from making your products intentionally fail, like Apple.
http://videocardz.com/60163/nvidia-r...rst-benchmarks
So it looks roughly GTX980TI level performance:
http://tpucdn.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeF..._2560_1440.png
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