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    Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    New Kaby Lake chips are; the Core i7-7740K, and the Hyper-Threaded Core i5-7640K.
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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    this will be the first modern Core i5 to have Hyper-Threading enabled
    this will be the first modern desktop Core i5 to have Hyper-Threading enabled
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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Pfft, if they cared they would have given us some fresh desktop Iris products where the nice big L4 cache would boost some game benchmarks rather nicely.

    Instead they just overclock the existing chips? That seems lame, almost to the point of insulting to the consumer. Will be interesting to see where "100W+" ends up as a real measured power consumption.

    Let's hope the lack of effort here means there is a team beavering away somewhere trying to come up with something new so no-one has time for refresh products like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    this will be the first modern desktop Core i5 to have Hyper-Threading enabled
    Are you referring to the laptop chips which only have two cores so really just an i3 with an i5 label on it?

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Let's hope the lack of effort here means there is a team beavering away somewhere trying to come up with something new so no-one has time for refresh products like this.
    You bet - these SMT enabled i5s will be interesting for a small number of people, but the real prize is the ground-breaking new architecture coming up that will change everything: by adding 2 more cores to each product level and matching AMD and returning status quo one more time.

    You know it to be true.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    In fairness Intel's mobile chip line up is insane. I have an i7 thats dual core and hyperthreaded at work.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Are you referring to the laptop chips which only have two cores so really just an i3 with an i5 label on it?
    Yup. Intels naming schemes are somewhat wacky already!
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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunbuster View Post
    In fairness Intel's mobile chip line up is insane. I have an i7 thats dual core and hyperthreaded at work.
    Whereas I have an i7 that's quad-core with HT, and there also exist mobile i5s that are quad core without HT. Still, life would be dull if the chip naming convention was even vaguely sane, wouldn't it

    I believe the defining difference between mobile i3 duals and mobile i5 duals is that the i5s have turbo enabled, while the i3s don't?

    I'm a little surprised that, with HT filtering down to the Pentiums, the desktop i3s didn't gain turbo as an additional differentiator. No doubt that'll be coming eventually though...

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Wouldn't make more sense to introduce a new top, ie i9, then filter out the bottom end pentiums.

    I do see this as good news, the fact intel even feel they need to respond to AMD shows AMD must have something decent.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Pfft, if they cared they would have given us some fresh desktop Iris products where the nice big L4 cache would boost some game benchmarks rather nicely.
    While Iris Pro for desktop would be very nice, enabling HT costs Intel almost nothing whereas adding eDRAM would.

    Those two Broadwell desktop CPUs (i5-5675C and i7-5775C) keep doing very well in reviews. Although not many reviewers have the courage to include them as Having Broadwell outperform Skylake and Kaby Lake must be embarrassing for Intel.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    ... Those two Broadwell desktop CPUs (i5-5675C and i7-5775C) keep doing very well in reviews. ...
    Curiously I've not seen many reviews of Kaby Lake that look at the IGP, even though that's where the big improvements were meant to be....?

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Curiously I've not seen many reviews of Kaby Lake that look at the IGP, even though that's where the big improvements were meant to be....?
    Actually, AFAIK the IGP improvements are only in mobile and then they seem to be entirely due to the process enhancements: that is (mostly) better turbo and clocks especially for 15W parts.

    No, Broadwell do very well in those reviews who bother to include them due to the eDRAM for certain loads. Yes the usual suspects (WinRar/WinZip/7Zip) but also gaming.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    While Iris Pro for desktop would be very nice, enabling HT costs Intel almost nothing whereas adding eDRAM would.
    Which is why I said I thought Intel's lack of effort was borderline insulting to the consumer.

    It looks from the TDP like they had to increase the volts to get the existing parts to bump up this small frequency increase. So it's basically a factory overclock. Adding L4 cache wouldn't need a voltage bump, so hopefully the TDP would take less of a hit.

    I think they should re-badge the i7 as an i5, re-badge the i5 as an i3, and make the i7 range all have the iris edram on package. In the same way that HT doesn't always boost an i7 to faster than an i5, an L4 cache will only work with some workloads but it would be an enhanced product.

    There I think lies the flaw. Intel don't seem to have a mindset of giving the customer something they want, for years they have just disabled features until they feel they have you bent over into a suitable position.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    There I think lies the flaw. Intel don't seem to have a mindset of giving the customer something they want, for years they have just disabled features until they feel they have you bent over into a suitable position.
    You make Intel sound like an abusive boyfriend. AMD comes along to show you a good time, then Intel goes "No baby, don't go. I won't hurt you again. Here have some hyper threading"

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Well the shambles which is AVX2, shows that often Intel's market segmentation efforts don't just hurt their customers but actually Intel to.

    Hailed as the best thing ever, AVX2 suffers greatly - even with tasks it actually is suitable for - because Intel simply disabled it everywhere.

    If instead of letting marketing turn it off, they had designed it so that they could add wait states there would be far more incentives to code with it, but that would have required extra work from the design stage rather than blowing an on/off fuse.

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Quote Originally Posted by AETAaAS View Post
    You make Intel sound like an abusive boyfriend.
    I was thinking more dominatrix, given that some customers seem to enjoy the treatment!

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    Re: Intel finalising Ryzen spoiler Core i7 and i5 chip designs says report

    Here comes the first £300 i5 cpu!! We are not that for off as it is so with the addition of HT it's going to be a big price jump.

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