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    AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Reduced die area could translate to lower manufacturing costs for AMD.
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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    While most of this is too technical for me to fully grasp, it seems that AMDs engineers have done a bang-up job with the design of the Ryzen core. I'm well and truly impressed. As long as performance lives up to expectations (i.e. comparable IPC to BDW-E), I'll probably end up getting at least one Ryzen CPU. Even if final shipping clocks are lower than KBL, an unlocked 6-core for quad core i5-i7 money sounds very good to me.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Interesting that AMD have the smaller core despite their "14nm" fab process having larger feature sizes than Intel's 14nm process. I wonder if this density has costs associated with it (e.g. lower frequencies, more prone to electromigration) or if Intel were simply lazy during the design phase - either because of their lead in the market or because the tick-tock strategy emphasises pushing new chips out the door quickly.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Reliability is yet to be tested!

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Isn't this because Intel insisted on shipping on-chip graphics with all its chips these days? Which accounts for half the die size if I remember correctly?

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Quote Originally Posted by w1ntergr33n View Post
    Isn't this because Intel insisted on shipping on-chip graphics with all its chips these days? Which accounts for half the die size if I remember correctly?
    The comparisons are of the CPU cores and cache sizes only - not the entire chip.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    10pc... really? There is a symbol for that "%".

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The comparisons are of the CPU cores and cache sizes only - not the entire chip.
    OK thanks. Good for AMD then! Still looking for the 2500K replacement... Maybe Zen could be the one.
    Last edited by w1ntergr33n; 08-02-2017 at 01:40 PM.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Not a surprise given that Intels chips are reporposed server chips with I assume silicon end users wont use / fuesd off and Ryzen is a chip designed for the ground up for end users.
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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum View Post
    Not a surprise given that Intels chips are reporposed server chips with I assume silicon end users wont use / fuesd off and Ryzen is a chip designed for the ground up for end users.
    They are comparing consumer Skylake cores to Ryzen cores AFAIK,not the socket 2011 implementations. You can kind of tell that by looking at the fact they are talking about a 4C/8T implementation with 8MB of L3 cache.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Quote Originally Posted by Platinum View Post
    Not a surprise given that Intels chips are reporposed server chips with I assume silicon end users wont use / fuesd off and Ryzen is a chip designed for the ground up for end users.
    Erm .. I'd be amazed if that's the case, on either side. Intel produce multiple different dies for each market segment, depending on required core count/graphics proportion. Some of those certainly don't go into server chips. AMD have historically always used identical silicon for all their chips, across both the server and desktop market (and more recently across desktop and mobile, too). It'd be a complete and dramatic departure for them to suddenly have different silicon between HEDT and server lines...

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    Yep just realised that
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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    I think my main worry is if indeed they are using HDL - it might be quite possible the Intel CPUs can be overclocked to a higher frequency which Intel would exploit.

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's



    Looks like Ryzen is made by Samsung - AFAIK GF has no 14MM fab in the US,but Samsung does.

    Edit!!

    I might be wrong about that!

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    Re: AMD Ryzen's x86 core is 10pc more compact than Intel's

    GlobalFoundries FAB8 is capable of manufacturing 14 nm and is in usa.

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