AMD Ryzen 7 1700X bench tested by Chinese site

[scaryjim]

I doubt AMD could find enough production capacity to feed companies like Dell without crippling other commitments. ....

They'd find a way, even if it meant contracting out fabrication to other companies. They've stayed on top of consoles, CPUs, APUs, GPUs, goodness knows what other semi-custom business that hasn't been publicised.... I think if Dell went to them with a big order for Zen chips, they'd make it happen

[shaithis]

Lots of people run software that scales well with core count but cannot afford or easily justify Intel's HEDT prices.

This is massive for my old stomping ground of research chemistry, where Intel's HEDT would offer a massive quality of life improvement but could not be justified when there are expensive chemicals to buy. I am sure similar stories abound in physics and engineering, not to mention home and small business users doing rendering or video transcoding.

Furthermore, plenty are sitting on old quad core chips unable to justify the cost of an upgrade for minor speed gains, and now they have good single threaded speed gains and extra cores and good prices.

All absolute small fry compared to mainstream sales though, that's the problem.

[scaryjim]

The key for AMD is market share though. The absolute numbers are a little irrelevant, they just need to stop losing market share.

There will always be people looking to buy a new PC. Even if the market overall is slowing down, it hasn't suddenly vanished. So the fact that last year or two years ago AMD wasn't offering a compelling product doesn't actually matter, beyond the lingering fact that they're on the wrong end of the market-share split so they don't have a reputation to bank roll them.

What matters to AMD is that they offer a compelling alternative to people who are looking to buy a new PC and would usually have chosen Intel. They don't have to tempt people away from PCs they're happy with. If they can offer a clear option of the same performance at lower price, or better performance at the same price, they stand a good chance of getting those sales.

And for System Integrators (particularly gaming focused ones), the draw of an R5 1400X is clear - i7 equivalent processor for £150 less? That's a GPU-class upgrade. R5 1400X + GTX 1070 vs i7 7700 + GTX 1060 - I know which is going to be the better gaming machine without seeing the benchmarks...

[CAPTAIN_ALLCAPS]

All absolute small fry compared to mainstream sales though, that's the problem.

Offering hexcores and octacores for reasonable sums is why the chip is epic.

As for market share, I think you are underestimating how many people will care about a competitive CPU architecture from AMD.

Firstly, mainstream shipments aren't what they once were since companies upgrade less often and margins are so thin. In fact, JPR's recent market survey states that the average number of GPUs per desktop or notebook PC is now at 1.49 thanks to the ubiquity of Intel's APUs. Sadly they do not give the market share of Intel APUs specifically, but since Intel dominates APU shipments, Intel's share of total graphics shipments stands at 70.9%, and SLI/crossfire market share is within a rounding error these days, you could easily say that at the absolute minimum roughly 25-30% of people buying an Intel APU are also buying a discrete graphics card.

That is a lot of people essentially wasting their money on an APU who will seriously consider buying a cheaper and/or faster AMD CPU now that they are competitive.

Secondly, mainstream cares enough about CPU performance to pick the i3 and i5 over Kaveri/Godavari. This Ryzen CPU performance will be duplicated in their Raven Ridge APUs later this year. In other words, AMD will be offering close or equal CPU performance in mainstream market segments with better GPU performance.

[Percy1983]

I used the word epic and look what happened.

Anyway I really could do with the extra performance as my hobby in videography/photography has now become a business to which the current half upgrades from and high prices from intel haven't give me good reason to upgrade from my 3570k.

So to say I could jump from 4c 4t to 8c 16t at a a price point in reach is truly epic.

I do hope this can bring the AMD back into peoples minds, every time a see a PC world advert there is no mention of AMD, hell looking at laptops I had to click see more options to enable AMD APUs models to be seen there website.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So probably it has between Haswell to Broadwell level single core IPC which is what I kind of expected - more surprising is the fact SMT seems to scale better on Ryzen than with the current Intel CPUs.

Edit!!

Also apparently someone noticed one of the pictures in the leak said the 25th too!!

[flearider]

not liking intel and having a 8350 which to be honest is still ok ... fan bois are going to jump on this .. for everyone else the price to performance is outstanding if and i'll say it again if it does what it says ..
asrock is the board to beat 16 phase then asus hero 12 phase just mem to sort out ..

[Lepnik]

Question is a this engineering samples or end-user products?

[CAPTAIN_ALLCAPS]

Question is a this engineering samples or end-user products?

Well it is labelled as a 1700X both on the chip and on CPU-Z, so it purports to be end-user at least.

What could be interesting is that the RAM is only 2133MHz. Since the memory controller is dual channel that is not a lot of bandwidth to feed eight cores, so the score might even increase with faster RAM.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

US Amazon pricing was leaked earlier before being taken down:

http://archive.is/2017.02.21-212855/.../dp/B06X6N8QGB

http://archive.is/2017.02.21-212937/...dp/B06W5Q7B38/

Some AMD performance slides leaked:

https://videocardz.com/66216/firefly-was-a-great-show

[scaryjim]

US Amazon pricing was leaked earlier ...

$399 for the 1700X and $499 for the 1800X, in line with previous rumours ... if nothing else, the value is looking excellent....!

EDIT: OK, just looked at the performance slides.

The difference between the 1700X and 1800X is around 4%, which roughly matches the clock speed difference. That's reassuring, and suggests that the results are reliable.

Assuming standard boost clocks for the single thread test (I guess we don't know if XFR was enabled for those slides) Ryzen @ 4GHz matches Broadwell E @ 3.7GHz: that's 92% of the performance per MHz.

Assuming standard base clocks for the multicore test, Ryzen @ 3.4GHz beats Broadwell E at 3.2GHz by 4%, which gives 97% of the performance per MHz - which would suggest that AMD's SMT implementation is significantly more efficient than Intel's.

Very very interesting indeed....

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

$399 for the 1700X and $499 for the 1800X, in line with previous rumours ... if nothing else, the value is looking excellent....!

It certain looks like between Haswell and BW-E level IPC,which is what the CPC leak indicated for non-gaming applications. In games,it looked similar in IPC to BW-E.

[scaryjim]

It certain looks like between Haswell and BW-E level IPC ....

See my performance-related edit above

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

See my performance-related edit above

I was talking about single core performance,but an earlier leak hinted at a better SMT implementation by AMD too.

The CPC leaked had a sample with buggy SMT which hinted at between Haswell and BW-E level IPC in non-gaming applications,but if SMT is now fixed that will improve things overall thread for thread.

However,the CPC test also had game testing - games tend to scale better with cores over SMT,and Ryzen seemed similar in IPC to BW-E.

So,perhaps the best is yet to come?? Lets hope so!!

[Beattie97]

i hope ryzen does not disappoint us but i have a feeling it wont

[Xlucine]

Secondly, mainstream cares enough about CPU performance to pick the i3 and i5 over Kaveri/Godavari. This Ryzen CPU performance will be duplicated in their Raven Ridge APUs later this year. In other words, AMD will be offering close or equal CPU performance in mainstream market segments with better GPU performance.

Alternatively, mainstream cares enough about the intel jingle to pick the i3 over anything AMD. time will tell