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    AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    The AMD system was said to cost $300 less than the comparable Nvidia machine.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    I suspect Raja designed the Vega GPU to be more compute focused than gaming. I wonder why RX Vega beats 1080Ti in compute performance but only manages a bit more than 1080 in gaming.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Now, if the comparison involved FreeSync and G-Sync monitors about $200 of that can be accounted for by this simple choice. The cheaper cost would be much more impressive if the monitors were equal spec or not included in the system price.
    If you're buying a new graphics card and monitor together then this is definitely a consideration. If Nvidia wish to go down a proprietary route and add costs for monitors rather than an open standard then fair game I'd say.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Just been doing some reading on the event, apparently 3/3 play testers estimated the FPS of one system to be around the 50FPS mark in BF1 @3440x1440, as mentioned in the linked reddit thread that could be the RX Vega system as apparently a 1080 normally hits 75-90 FPS in BF1.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Don't forget, this chip will spend most of its life competing with Volta.

    On the plus side the Xbox Scorpio gpu looks pretty good. Wish it was what the RX480 was designed to be (maybe without the 384 - bit memory bus).

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Q : 6) Many argue that vega is just a refined polaris gpu, how would you respond to this ?

    Raja Koduri – Chief Architect Radeon Technologies Group – Reddit AMA

    A: My software team wishes this was true

    Vega is both a new GPU architecture and also completely new SOC architecture. It’s our first Infinity Fabric GPU as well

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    Vega is both a new GPU architecture and also completely new SOC architecture. It’s our first Infinity Fabric GPU as well
    I'm thinking they might have held off of so many "firsts" and made a GPU that could compete instead. Of course, this all might be some super-clever misdirection from AMD and when they release we find they are amazingly powerful.....
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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Quote Originally Posted by shaithis View Post
    I'm thinking they might have held off of so many "firsts" and made a GPU that could compete instead. Of course, this all might be some super-clever misdirection from AMD and when they release we find they are amazingly powerful.....
    I hope for the sake of AMD it is a misdirection.

    Unless the RX Vega uses a different GPU,if its the same as the Vega FE,it is basically similar in size to the GP102.

    No doubt large Vega has a whole lot of stuff which is not relevant for gaming,but if they can't convincingly beat a GTX1080 it really is a bit meh,even though it still will be more than enough for a person with a qHD display,I am not sure how much wiggle they will have for price since Nvidia is using a much smaller GPU.


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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    The GPU size of Vega is inclusive of HBM modules? I think we are getting it wrong with 'size' also let us not forget the space savings of HBM versus GDDR5

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    I can imagine two Vegas being Crossfired to compete with one 1080 Ti. Hmm

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    The GPU size of Vega is inclusive of HBM modules? I think we are getting it wrong with 'size' also let us not forget the space savings of HBM versus GDDR5
    No, the die size doesn't include HBM. It is an enthusiast level card with high-end performance.

    Sure it might catch up with the 1080 Ti after a few months of driver improvements, but in a few months nVidia is releasing Volta.

    Unless AMD is sandbagging in a major way it is difficult to see anything other than a 484mm2 Vega chip with expensive HBM2 trying to be cost competitive against a cooler and quieter ~325mm2 chip with cheaper GDDR5X/GDDR6.
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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    The thing is that even though GTX1080 level performance is certainly not bad,it is not great if the consumer RX Vega is using a die around the same size as the GP102. In-between GTX1080 and GTX1080TI performance would be more like what I would expect,especially in light of AMD using a one size fits all approach to its consumer and commercial GPUs.


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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    It would be really something if the RX Vega they're taking on the roadshow isn't the XTX, i can't see them using one of the lower end cards (XT, XL) but it would defiantly be a turn up for the books if they had.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    So this brand new chip appears to be similar performance to a GTX 1080, a chip that was launched in May 2016, forgive me for being underwhelmed again.

    Come on AMD you need to beat the competition, not be similar to the stuff that's just reached it's first birthday. By the time this comes out the Nvidia Series 11 chips out.

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    Quote Originally Posted by gordon861 View Post
    So this brand new chip appears to be similar performance to a GTX 1080, a chip that was launched in May 2016, forgive me for being underwhelmed again.

    Come on AMD you need to beat the competition, not be similar to the stuff that's just reached it's first birthday. By the time this comes out the Nvidia Series 11 chips out.
    Vega architecture is faster than 1080Ti in double precision compute meaning it was designed with high performance computing in mind and certainly AMD is trying hard to dominate the server space. Gaming is a no problem for me, how many people can actually afford 1080Ti?

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    Re: AMD RX Vega pitted against Nvidia GTX 1080 in Budapest

    AND for those who think HBM is extremely expensive please refer to Fury series and compare. Nvidia has been using HBM since P100 came over 1 year ago, AMD has been using HBM for over 2 years. AMD pointed out that the GPU market is more demanding at the RX480 and 1060 space so I am not interested if Nvidia has the fastest card of which AMD has been leading with the fastest card since the 6000 series (woooaa HD6990!!) only to fall short at the 980Ti era which Fury was just below it in less than 5fps but beating it in compute. Lets remember when AMD wiped the floor using Titan-Z.

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