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    Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    Key slide from event in China spoils Intel's planned Solar Eclipse surprises.
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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    The spec on the Core i7-8700K looks good. Now lets hope Intel get their pricing right and continue to give AMD a run for their money. Perhaps more importantly, AMD force Intel to keep their pricing low..

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    ......YAWN YAWN the +6 core hype train has already been taken by AMD. Intel HD graphics is the part where has had VERY little improvement. Intel should simply approach AMD for graphics.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    As I said on OC3Ds FB post as well:

    Oh my god, a 50% increase in multi threaded performance when you increase the core count by 50%...AMAZING!!!

    A teeny tiny increase on per clock performance just so it doesn't look like we're completely screwing our Customer base by just bolting on two extra cores thrown in for free! And here's the bit, as investors, you'll love: we jacked up the price by 50% as well and put a new chipset together which is basically the old one so the mobo manufacturers you invested in as well will also have a financial boost making you more money!

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by Tabbykatze View Post
    (Sassy but accurate pessimistic rambling, 10/10)
    We can complain that it's as consumer friendly as a slap to the face with a wet fish, but the truth is that I can bet all of my money on 8700K being the best gaming CPU available (and, for once, maybe even a little future proof (unless there are more thermal compound shadowtricks)) and AMD not being able to directly compete on anything but price and core count. May as well just accept it for now.
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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    For gamers i3 8350k works otherwise Amd maintains his position on multicore with price performance

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    I really hope they aren't the only i7 option. I don't need 6c/12t. 4c/8t is fine! But I can see Intel using this strategy so they can use a higher price.

    Then again it won't matter if the IPC boost is only 10% or so. I could really do with a system upgrade, but if I'm spending £500 (CPU/mobo/RAM), it better be for something more than just future proofing.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    My first reaction: This is all too soon, I've just invested in a 7700k!!! Screw you Intel!

    On further reflection: I don't need the extra cores and threads, and the 11% increase of core performance has already been reached or maybe even bettered by a simple OC to 4.8ghz which I am sure could be pushed a little higher if I had the guts and the need. AMD already has this segment covered too at a (probably) much cheaper price, those who find the extra cores important probably don't care for the slight IPC difference much and will already be on board with Ryzen/Threadripper or even an i9 etc.!


    Conclusion: Not a bad CPU on paper but if you are mostly a gamer such as myself then this is just a pointless (and expensive) temptation, especially if you already have a high end CPU from the past few years with 8 threads on it.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    SORRY intel I will wait until you launch edition 17-10,000K, just wondering coz coffee lake is 8000 series, then 9000 series...then?

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    And the High End desktop line drops even further behind retail. Intel are going to have to skip another generation to maintain release dates lol.

    The "Brand New" i9 7xxx series are all based on gen 6 architecture and here's gen 8 about to go out the door lol. Remember when Intel used to launch their chips top down? Nehalem the original i7 was the last time they did it.

    No wonder a lot of pro-sumers and server manufacturers are looking at AMD's latest offering with interest. While software may not be optimized for it yet at least both the desktop, HEDT and server versions of it are all being released at about the same time.

    I think Intel is having a little bit of a panic similar to when the AMD 64 challenged the P4, we'll just have to wait and see what happens next.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    SORRY intel I will wait until you launch edition 17-10,000K, just wondering coz coffee lake is 8000 series, then 9000 series...then?
    Heh, 10kK

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    I'd quite like to watch Intel eat **** from AMD for a while, so I'm all for this poor price gouging release coming soon (tm).

    Please, intel, go back to the design table and give us a decent sandy bridge upgrade with 8 core 16 thread then I'll be happy. I may even buy it if you price it properly. Surely 10% IPC performance every 12-18 months is actually doable?
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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by ilkercares View Post
    For gamers i3 8350k works otherwise Amd maintains his position on multicore with price performance
    I'm not so sure about that given the i5 is already starting to struggle in some current games, especially in terms of FPS consistency, and this looks to be more or less a lower-clocked i5.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tunnah View Post
    Then again it won't matter if the IPC boost is only 10% or so.
    I don't think there is a 10% IPC difference. That leaked slide seems to show 11% single-threaded performance but that's at higher stock clocks. I wonder if there's much difference at an architectural level, because that few % IPC difference isn't nothing, unless they're somehow fudging boost numbers and it's just because CFL can keep boost clocks sustained for longer?

    I was about to say I wonder if the 4C die is more or less SKL/KBL with a few more fairly minor changes, but this could also be something more like a 14nm version of Cannonlake if they've decided to abandon that for desktop if yields/clocks aren't going to be suitable for high-power parts? CFL's very existence (and to a lesser extent KBL) kinda suggests that's the case anyway TBH.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    No turbo boost on the i3's? Low end ryzen will have a field day.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozaron View Post
    We can complain that it's as consumer friendly as a slap to the face with a wet fish, but the truth is that I can bet all of my money on 8700K being the best gaming CPU available (and, for once, maybe even a little future proof (unless there are more thermal compound shadowtricks)) and AMD not being able to directly compete on anything but price and core count. May as well just accept it for now.
    CPU's are a hygiene factor in modern games - as long as it isn't a construction core, an atom or an overvolted laptop chip you'll be fine. There are no situations in modern games where you'll have a noticeable difference between ryzen and intel, and in the future a 6 or 4 core CPU will get left behind before an 8 core chip does. Something isn't the best if it costs more, performs the same now, and will perform worse than the competitors in future.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by zaph0d View Post
    The "Brand New" i9 7xxx series are all based on gen 6 architecture and here's gen 8 about to go out the door lol.
    Except that all of that is just naming marketing as Skylake, Kabylake and Coffeelake are the exact same architecture with the same IPC. The only difference between them (ignoring the totally different cache and ring/mesh layout of Skylake-X) are the frequencies and turbo as they are what Intel call process 'optimizations' and max freq and power are the true differences between Intel's 14nm, 14nm+ and 14nm++ process.

    In fact, the one website which is well known to always compare new processors at the same frequency (hardware.fr) didn't even bother to review Kabylake. Back with Haswell, Intel were more honest and called the refresh a refresh: 4770K vs 4790K rather than 6700K and 7700K or even eventually 8700K. (Although to be fair to Intel, Kabylake did get some new video hardware.)

    So, actually Intel will have been on the same architecture for three 'generations' by the time Cannonlake comes out.

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    Re: Intel Coffee Lake distributor event specs table leaks

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    Except that all of that is just naming marketing as Skylake, Kabylake and Coffeelake are the exact same architecture with the same IPC. The only difference between them (ignoring the totally different cache and ring/mesh layout of Skylake-X) are the frequencies and turbo as they are what Intel call process 'optimizations' and max freq and power are the true differences between Intel's 14nm, 14nm+ and 14nm++ process.

    In fact, the one website which is well known to always compare new processors at the same frequency (hardware.fr) didn't even bother to review Kabylake. Back with Haswell, Intel were more honest and called the refresh a refresh: 4770K vs 4790K rather than 6700K and 7700K or even eventually 8700K. (Although to be fair to Intel, Kabylake did get some new video hardware.)

    So, actually Intel will have been on the same architecture for three 'generations' by the time Cannonlake comes out.
    Quite. Intel have always made adjustments to their lithography between releases (and even between steppings sometimes), just they've never shouted about it before; they're pretty much just doing it to keep investors happy and make it look like they're making progress in a new/different way. E.g. Haswell's 22nm was in a way a '22nm+' to Ivy Bridge's 22nm. I don't really understand why the '+' makes it into comparison tables when node variants from GloFo/TSMC (such as 14LPP, 14LPE, 16FF+, 16FFC) aren't also included - TBH in many cases they're more different than Intel's 14 and 14+! Then again, Intel also have many different process variants they call by one name anyway. It's just marketing nonsense at the end of the day. It often reads like e.g. Ryzen uses 14nm but but but KBL uses 14nm+ therefore better!!!!

    I think KBL only differs from SKL in its video engine as KBL adds some new capabilities, so it's at least not exactly the same die, but at a core level it's the same AFAIK. As I said in my post though, perhaps CFL is more like a 14nm version of Cannonlake - Intel's ticks have often included some more minor architectural changes so we might see something like that.

    TBH Intel cut right back on architectural details even with Skylake, which at a high level isn't drastically different from Haswell. We're still quite some way off the next Tock since Skylake!

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