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    Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    The fan-inspired Project Scorpio edition of the console will be released on 7th November.
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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    VEGA chronicles on energy consumption: from sources, the RX580 level graphics in this machine uses less electric power thanks to AMDs refinements on the GPU, Raja should have used the same techniques on the VEGA 56 to make it more environmentally friendly.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    VEGA chronicles on energy consumption: from sources, the RX580 level graphics in this machine uses less electric power thanks to AMDs refinements on the GPU, Raja should have used the same techniques on the VEGA 56 to make it more environmentally friendly.
    Its because big Vega is a dual use GPU clocked much higher?? The 14nm process AMD uses is more optimised for lower clockspeeds.


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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Not falling for this trap, I will await the actual real next gen consoles before even giving another console a second look. If you had already bought the OG X1, bought a gold account for the last few years and then traded it in to buy one of these... you may as well have built a similar priced PC with far more features and performance for your money! IMO a console should "just work" without any upgrade temptations until the new gen arrives, otherwise you may as well just be upgrading a pc every few years instead. And £450 for essentially a locked down mid ranged PC containing RX480/GTX1060 level GPU performance is silly, spend a tiny bit extra and you can build far better yourself.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Quote Originally Posted by lumireleon View Post
    VEGA chronicles on energy consumption: from sources, the RX580 level graphics in this machine uses less electric power thanks to AMDs refinements on the GPU, Raja should have used the same techniques on the VEGA 56 to make it more environmentally friendly.
    They did - compare energy use of the 580 to V56

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    Not falling for this trap, I will await the actual real next gen consoles before even giving another console a second look. If you had already bought the OG X1, bought a gold account for the last few years and then traded it in to buy one of these... you may as well have built a similar priced PC with far more features and performance for your money! IMO a console should "just work" without any upgrade temptations until the new gen arrives, otherwise you may as well just be upgrading a pc every few years instead. And £450 for essentially a locked down mid ranged PC containing RX480/GTX1060 level GPU performance is silly, spend a tiny bit extra and you can build far better yourself.
    Even before bitcoin broke graphics pricing a 580 cost ~£200, a tiny bit more than £250 doesn't get very much when you need a motherboard, CPU, ram, PSU, case, windows licence etc

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Well, I might go for one of this new-gen boxes, but not at pre-order prices. And no way am I paying £450 for one, unless it comes with one heck of a games bundle. I don't care what the components cost, or an equivalent PC games build is, I'm just not paying that for a bare-ish games console.

    So, over time, if prices come down .... maybe. But I will want to take a very hard look at Microsoft's licencing T&Cs, privacy policy, hardware capabilities and/or any data capture/analytics before touching anything new from MS with a bargepole, as recent events have left me simply not trusting them an inch, and they've squandered a couple of decades of goodwill.

    So we'll see. Maybe.
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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Thanks Xlucine, but I don't think you grasped my comment correctly, I am not talking about spending a tiny bit more than £250(Did you mean £450?), - I am talking £429 for an OG console at launch, 4 years of xbox live gold, and then another say £250-£350 when trading your OG console in for the new one (and then that's only if you didn't just keep hold of the OG one).

    That is the type of figures whereby spending a tiny bit more (or perhaps even not), we start getting to the point where we can create quite a decent build for our money compared to what you end up getting with a console IMO, which makes me question the point of console gaming with these new business practices. Consoles are supposed to be a more accesible way of modern gaming both in functionality and price, yet in both respects they are becoming closer to the very thing they are trying to differ from every day... a PC.

    I believe a console should be a one-gen-at-a-time, pure dedicated and well optmised gaming machine; not just an underpowered PC in disguise.

    Maybe what we are really seeing here is the death of consoles, people see PC gaming being head graphically so these companies are forced to create a more powerful system half way through its life cycle to keep people interested, but with PC hardware moving so fast these days where will it end? Microsoft are trying so hard to lock everybody into their xbox one/windows 10 store ecosystem that perhaps they also see the death of consoles on the horizon, and want to lock us all into the xbox brand early so they can adapt it to whatever will make money in the future, perhaps one day xbox will just be a subscription service instead of a physical console?

    Don't let them do it, speak with your wallets, I quite like just about still being able to buy a game that I can actually keep and play later in life at no extra cost.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    Thanks Xlucine, but I don't think you grasped my comment correctly, I am not talking about spending a tiny bit more than £250(Did you mean £450?), - I am talking £429 for an OG console at launch, 4 years of xbox live gold, and then another say £250-£350 when trading your OG console in for the new one (and then that's only if you didn't just keep hold of the OG one).

    That is the type of figures whereby spending a tiny bit more (or perhaps even not), we start getting to the point where we can create quite a decent build for our money compared to what you end up getting with a console IMO, which makes me question the point of console gaming with these new business practices. Consoles are supposed to be a more accesible way of modern gaming both in functionality and price, yet in both respects they are becoming closer to the very thing they are trying to differ from every day... a PC.

    I believe a console should be a one-gen-at-a-time, pure dedicated and well optmised gaming machine; not just an underpowered PC in disguise.

    Maybe what we are really seeing here is the death of consoles, people see PC gaming being head graphically so these companies are forced to create a more powerful system half way through its life cycle to keep people interested, but with PC hardware moving so fast these days where will it end? Microsoft are trying so hard to lock everybody into their xbox one/windows 10 store ecosystem that perhaps they also see the death of consoles on the horizon, and want to lock us all into the xbox brand early so they can adapt it to whatever will make money in the future, perhaps one day xbox will just be a subscription service instead of a physical console?

    Don't let them do it, speak with your wallets, I quite like just about still being able to buy a game that I can actually keep and play later in life at no extra cost.
    With £200 spent on a equivalent GPU, there's only £250 left for the rest of the system. So you're looking at a dual core pentium (or bristol ridge if you can find it in stock), probably a single 4GB stick of RAM (unless you can find 2GB sticks somewhere, 8GB is too pricey), and no SSD - it's about £100 for the CPU and motherboard combo, £40 for the RAM, £40 for a hard drive so that's £380 without covering the case, PSU, probably a wifi card and windows licence. Trying to match the price of a mass-produced system just isn't going to work at that price level. For a couple of hundred quid more you can get a system that will easily beat any console, but microsoft can cut costs better than almost anyone else.

    There's no reason that a console has to be any different to a PC - every generation of graphics API claims to get the program closer to the silicon for more efficiency, and with fixed function hardware computers have got closer and closer to dedicated gaming consoles, so the necessity to reinvent the wheel fades with every generation. It turns out that the most efficient way to run games on a computer and on a console look very similar. With a console you get a turnkey solution that will happily play games at a lower price than can be achieved with a computer, and that's exactly what the xbox does well.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    I do see what you are saying here and it makes sense in the way you describe, but you are still kind of pointing out there is no need for consoles anymore without even realising it. It's also not just £250 left over after the gpu when you factor in the other things i mentioned, it is more like another £600, 429 for the OG console then paying another 350 after trading it in for a new model, so take off the 200 for a gpu and that leaves you with £579, that's without even factoring in the years of gold you will pay out for) the whole issue here is bringing out a console on the same gen with slight improvements to have the gullible shell out more cash for little gain, we are not comparing one xbox and one pc directly here, I am literally stating that by the time you have invested in both consoles you could have built a better pc for not much more.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    I've preordered one. It means the XB1 S can go into the kids playroom. I've been PC gaming since I first purchased a Voodoo II to sit in my PII 450 based machine but to be honest, I'm happy to drop some of the fidelity to know that I couldn't upgrade for things to look better and I just have to get on and play the games. As it is, I'm struggling with my PC, a perfectly adequate OC'd 4690K with a Strix 980 OC because I KNOW there is faster stuff out there.

    XB1S/X is still probably the most cost effective way to get a UHD BD player, which is more than a little bit bonkers.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Quote Originally Posted by daddacool View Post
    As it is, I'm struggling with my PC, a perfectly adequate OC'd 4690K with a Strix 980 OC because I KNOW there is faster stuff out there.

    XB1S/X is still probably the most cost effective way to get a UHD BD player, which is more than a little bit bonkers.
    Ditto here - makes me wonder if that 1080 I was going to "treat myself" to when Black Friday swings around is going to be worth it.

    Was looking at the XOX earlier and there was some talk of a Microsoft-sponsored trade-in deal for XBO's - anyone know if that's going to happen or was it a US-only deal?

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    Quote Originally Posted by Saracen View Post
    Well, I might go for one of this new-gen boxes, but not at pre-order prices. And no way am I paying £450 for one, unless it comes with one heck of a games bundle. I don't care what the components cost, or an equivalent PC games build is, I'm just not paying that for a bare-ish games console.

    So, over time, if prices come down .... maybe. But I will want to take a very hard look at Microsoft's licencing T&Cs, privacy policy, hardware capabilities and/or any data capture/analytics before touching anything new from MS with a bargepole, as recent events have left me simply not trusting them an inch, and they've squandered a couple of decades of goodwill.

    So we'll see. Maybe.
    Very interested to hear more about your experiences. I don't think it is just MS that are commercialising your data - do you use any of the following? Google, Android, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Amazon? I just don't get the paranoia, therefore I am curious as to what negative experiences you have as an end user? As I understand it we seem to have a choice of either accepting that data gathering is perfectly reasonable and a fair price to pay in return for these services or we unplug ourselves from 90% of the internet.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    VG247 reports that Xbox One X Scorpio Edition pre-order stock sold out in under a day.

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    Re: Microsoft Xbox One X global pre-orders begin

    My X1X 1TB Project Scorpio Edition is pre-ordered. Get in!

    I get folks are saying that they should stick to one console and not splash out. But this is a choice thing. You can buy a X1S for £220 and get all your gaming goodness, or £450 and get 4K gaming goodness. Doesn't make the X1S any worse, it's still a great machine. Just means that we get more choice.
    Just like the PC folks who can choose AMD or Intel, AMD or nVidia. They all play the same games, just to varying degrees of shininess.
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    Have my XB1XS pre-ordered but seeing folk paying over the odds for the pre-order placeholder. Tempted to sell mines :|

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