Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 Founders Edition

[The Hand]

My brother was going to get a GTX 970 and I told him to wait for the 1060. It is a little more expensive for the 1060, but he can make his money back by having a 150w card instead of a 250w card!

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Some other reviews have - it's close, but hard to say when the current DX12 games tend to be quite heavily sided one way or the other. That's probably a sign of things to come, but the 480 trounces the 1060 in Ashes and Hitman under DX12, while Tomb Raider scores a win in DX12 for nVidia (not sure if that's with the async patch enabled though). Total War in DX12 seems to be more or less equal. Time spy more or less equal.

I'm guessing that they're basically the same in DX12, unless the devs tune for console/AMD in which case the 480 really sees a nice boost.

With the Async patch AMD tends to have much better performance and it is pretty weird since the XBox One had async from the beginning - the GoW DX12 version runs better on AMD cards too. With the PS4 Neo supposedly having a Polaris 10 derived GPU,it means there will be plenty of DX11 games also being developed on a Polaris feature set GPU too.

If you look at NV sponsored games like The Division,the AMD cards seem to be doing quite well it appears too.

People think one of the reasons why the R9 290/R9 390 cards seem to have done reasonably well is because the PS4 and XBox One have GCN1.1 GPUs like what Hawaii is.

I am a bit hit and miss on how long the Nvidia cards last now - I got my GTX660 and GTX960 reasonably cheaper,but comparative performance to the HD7870 and R9 380 seems to have gotten worse and worse. My main worry,is that Pascal was a last minute addition to the Nvidia launch schedule(Volta should have appeared by now) and seems to be a souped up Maxwell with some fixes,and seems to still share some of the undelying weaknesses it has.

[JCBeastie]

the tech group Kalniel, DanceWithUnix, how comes the Rx480 has 2030 processors yet it seriously lags behind a 1200 Cuda core GTX1060? should it be more processors = more performance?

Different technologies and nomenclature; not directly comparable.

[Ogami]

So where was that way faster performance over RX 480 that Nvidia promised us?....still don't see it and they want me to pay minimum another €70 that is about on par with AMD?

[kalniel]

My brother was going to get a GTX 970 and I told him to wait for the 1060. It is a little more expensive for the 1060, but he can make his money back by having a 150w card instead of a 250w card!

He can? How much is electricity where you are?!

[The Hand]

He can? How much is electricity where you are?!

Well he's in London actually, so I'm not sure! He intends to use it a lot so a 100w difference will add up overtime financially.. as well as delay the ice caps from melting by a few seconds!

[Bagnaj97]

He can? How much is electricity where you are?!

UK Electricity prices average 13.86p/kWh (http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/...r-calculations)
365x24 = 8760 hours in a year. 100w difference between GPUs, so 100wx8760h = 876000Wh, or 876kWh.
876kWh x 13.86p = 12141, or £121.41 saving per year in electricity if used at full power 24/7

Of course if you're not running the card full tilt 24/7 it's going to take you longer to make your money back...

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Don't think you are saving much if any power.

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

UK Electricity prices average 13.86p/kWh (http://www.energysavingtrust.org.uk/...r-calculations)
365x24 = 8760 hours in a year. 100w difference between GPUs, so 100wx8760h = 876000Wh, or 876kWh.
876kWh x 13.86p = 12141, or £121.41 saving per year in electricity if used at full power 24/7

Of course if you're not running the card full tilt 24/7 it's going to take you longer to make your money back...

Its not a 100W difference. Lets approximate to 14P a kWh.

Using your price kWh,that means if you game for 40 hours a week for the whole 52 weeks in a year,that would £11.65 a year.

40 hours a week would be like playing for 8 hours each day of the weekend,and then playing nearly 5 hours each day during the week on top of that.

[The Hand]

Thanks for the Info Cat, but he's not just gaming. He's a 3D artist for the gaming industry and spends most of his time on his system doing 3D work etc.

[HalloweenJack]

no time sy in 3dmark , no vulkan - oh dear

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Thanks for the Info Cat, but he's not just gaming. He's a 3D artist for gaming industry and sends most of his time on his system doing 3D work etc.

Well he might be better served look at some of the pro cards too - the reason they cost more is because of the software optimisations they have over gaming cards(viewpoint accelleration being one of them). Even then if he is happy using non-pro drivers, GTX980TI and Fury cards are dropping down in price too,and it might worth looking around for some if he is doing more pro work. The GPUs just have far more grunt than a RX480 or GTX1060.

[Xlucine]

Could you please benchmark a 1060 with just a memory OC? It's odd to only disable the memory bus, so it'd be interesting to see how memory starved the 1060 is.

My brother was going to get a GTX 970 and I told him to wait for the 1060. It is a little more expensive for the 1060, but he can make his money back by having a 150w card instead of a 250w card!

And even if he doesn't get one, 970 prices can only go down now

[Bagnaj97]

Its not a 100W difference. Lets approximate to 14P a kWh.

Using your price kWh,that means if you game for 40 hours a week for the whole 52 weeks in a year,that would £11.65 a year.

40 hours a week would be like playing for 8 hours each day of the weekend,and then playing nearly 5 hours each day during the week on top of that.

I was pointing out that it's technically possible with a 24/7 load. Bitcoin mining or something!

[The Hand]

Well he might be better served look at some of the pro cards too - the reason they cost more is because of the software optimisations they have over gaming cards(viewpoint accelleration being one of them). Even then if he is happy using non-pro drivers, GTX980TI and Fury cards are dropping down in price too,and it might worth looking around for some if he is doing more pro work. The GPUs just have far more grunt than a RX480 or GTX1060.

Yes, I did say to him to at least wait for the GTX 1000 series which would come with a drop in the 900 series prices too, so he still might change his mind.

Ironically he is actually coming from an older Quadro card in his desktop system, but is tired of the fact he can't play games as well as Geforce users. His friends in the same field are happily using Geforce cards for gaming and rendering etc, so he going to go Geforce soon, but I think he's a just bit tired of spending hundreds on a single part (hence his interest in the 970 price range).. though as you say, he has two good reasons (work and play) to get a graphics card with a bit more grunt.

[watercooled]

With the Async patch AMD tends to have much better performance and it is pretty weird since the XBox One had async from the beginning - the GoW DX12 version runs better on AMD cards too. With the PS4 Neo supposedly having a Polaris 10 derived GPU,it means there will be plenty of DX11 games also being developed on a Polaris feature set GPU too.

I'm finding it hard to find any comparison benchmarks with it on/off - do you know of any? Is it just DX11 vs DX12 or is it another patch on top of that?