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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by aniilv View Post
    laughing at that price

    you pretty much can buy two 1060's and snark at amd at this point
    True,but sadly three problems at this point:
    1.)The GTX1060 6GB prices have shot up past £250 at many retailers due to mining
    2.)The GTX1060 does not support SLI
    3.)The GTX1060 does not support SLI

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    You know, looking around online I can't help but think this review has the TDPs listed wrong? Page 3 says



    Looking around - is that the listed TDPs for the Vega 56? I'm pretty sure the Vega 64 is 295W in standard Balanced Mode (which would fit much better with the power figures floating around in reviews today...)

    EDIT: and on that note - any chance of some performance figures with Vega 56 in its 150W mode? I'd love to see what it's capable of when you get it down into its proper efficiency range...
    Temps and noise in the 150W mode would be interesting too!

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    AMD should have made two GPUs, one for gaming and another for compute. The power consumption is UNACCEPTABLE. I don't know what Raja is upto.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    You know, looking around online I can't help but think this review has the TDPs listed wrong? Page 3 says



    Looking around - is that the listed TDPs for the Vega 56? I'm pretty sure the Vega 64 is 295W in standard Balanced Mode (which would fit much better with the power figures floating around in reviews today...)

    EDIT: and on that note - any chance of some performance figures with Vega 56 in its 150W mode? I'd love to see what it's capable of when you get it down into its proper efficiency range...
    Hi scaryjim,

    Those figures came out of two separate reviewers guide, and even I thought they were suspect because they contradict what AMD has said before. Looking for clarification on this today. I'll take out that reference now; I believe AMD is referring to power profile limits rather than TDP, but we'll see.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    This is very disappointing. Especially since AMD has done such a great job with their new Ryzen and Threadripper CPU,s. Am I missing something or am I correct in assuming Vega is just overpriced crap!

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Everytime I hear Nvdia user talk about why they do not want/use an ATI it is almost always comments about sucking up power and cooking the PC. Perhaps they would increase their market share if they focused on those issues a little instead of just trying to up the raw power.
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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Right now I can buy an MSI GTX1080 Seahawk which includes a waterblock for £499 and have it delivered tomorrow. Why would I buy this train-wreck?

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Can't deny I'm slightly disappointed that they haven't pulled out another 5850/5870 release, but an interesting point I noted while reading the review: is it me or is the minimum fps generally pretty strong from Vega cards?
    Would be interested to see frame time analysis to see how they compare.
    Cheers for the review, Tarinder - lot of work in there as always

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Also - this review really highlights the ridiculous position NVidia have taken not to sell the Xp on to 3rd party vendors. That cooling solution looks so inadequate

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by Roobubba View Post
    Can't deny I'm slightly disappointed that they haven't pulled out another 5850/5870 release, but an interesting point I noted while reading the review: is it me or is the minimum fps generally pretty strong from Vega cards?
    Would be interested to see frame time analysis to see how they compare.
    Cheers for the review, Tarinder - lot of work in there as always
    Here are some video reviews from Digital Foundry and Joker Productions,that do show it in a number of games with Vega56:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Rl_zkgMOI
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S37ziow96JA

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    AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 - the Digital Foundry verdict
    If you're looking for an alternative to the GTX 1070, the bottom line is that you're generally getting around 10 to 12 per cent of additional performance with the Vega 56, at the cost of some efficiency. It's also interesting to note just how consistently the card out-performs its competitor - only oddments and bugs along with a strange turnout from Crysis 3 stop it from dominating across the board, even on titles that traditionally favour Nvidia hardware, such as Rise of the Tomb Raider.

    Assuming the recommended US pricing holds up - and that the Ethereum mining boom doesn't jack up the costs horrendously - the value on offer here is very good overall, especially if you own (or are considering) a 1440p or 4K FreeSync display, which pairs nicely with this product and constitutes one of the most profound gaming upgrades money can buy. At the time of writing, UK pricing is not available, but if it costs too much more than GTX 1070, that would take the shine off an impressive product.

    How Vega 56 compares with its more expensive counterparts is something we are still in the process of testing. However, we've run some initial tests on the top-end liquid-cooled version of the Vega 64 (full review incoming - we've had only five days with these products, which is not ideal) and first impressions suggest that the Vega 56 offers around 85 per cent of the performance of the fully maxed Vega experience, and that gap may close up a little against the air-cooled version.

    It's early days with testing there, but it may well be the case that the Vega 56 isn't just a great value contender against GTX 1070, but also its higher-end siblings too. We'll try to get some further numbers to you as soon as possible, but it seems clear that the Vega 56 is AMD's value play, where it performs very well indeed. Aside from the 2x eight-pin power input requirement and the lack of a DVI port for legacy display support, it's difficult to find much fault with what AMD has delivered here - there's strong performance out of the box, various routes forward with overclocking that deliver tangible results, and the quality of the reference card (the only Vega option for a while) also represents a big improvement over prior AMD efforts. It's been a long time since AMD has challenged Nvidia at the higher-end, but Vega 56 hits the sweet spot - it's a superb performer overall.
    Price is the main concern - if miners push this part past £400,it becomes an issue though.

    There is also a review thread here:

    http://forums.hexus.net/graphics-car...ew-thread.html
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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

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    Somehow that turned into me being an AMD hating, Nvidia shilling, keyboard warrior who's self determined destiny is to troll everyone on Hexus and ruin their days. (I'm obviously paraphrasing, but I think that's a pretty accurate summary of your replies)
    Seems like a fair cop, are you going to come quietly or do we have to send in an emoji of a policeman?

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Finally got some time to read through some reviews.

    What struck me, with 40% more transistors than Fiji, if they had just scaled up Fiji with the same clocks then that would give them 90 shaders and thanks to graphics scaling well should get them 40% more performance. Vega 64 seems to get less than that, which makes me think something went wrong.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Finally got some time to read through some reviews.

    What struck me, with 40% more transistors than Fiji, if they had just scaled up Fiji with the same clocks then that would give them 90 shaders and thanks to graphics scaling well should get them 40% more performance. Vega 64 seems to get less than that, which makes me think something went wrong.
    But they spent their time and resources adding features and making changes that improve the product in ways other than a direct FPS / frame pushing horsepower way? The earlier post about new instructions being just one way RTG seems to have distracted itself from the simple picture.

    They're probably hoping Vega is a good miner's card and a good test of new features that should be available in a Navi with more horsepower (and a better HBM2 supply..?) but really Navi has to burn the candle at both ends and be much more power efficient while pushing noticably more pixels. I am going to sit comfortably on my R9 for a while...

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by Ozaron View Post
    But they spent their time and resources adding features and making changes that improve the product in ways other than a direct FPS / frame pushing horsepower way? The earlier post about new instructions being just one way RTG seems to have distracted itself from the simple picture.

    They're probably hoping Vega is a good miner's card and a good test of new features that should be available in a Navi with more horsepower (and a better HBM2 supply..?) but really Navi has to burn the candle at both ends and be much more power efficient while pushing noticably more pixels. I am going to sit comfortably on my R9 for a while...
    It also has much more extensive DX12 and Vulkan support than any other card out there - Nvidia actually supports some features better than Polaris,and now AMD has gone past that. It also has extended FP16 support which is being used in some games such as Wolfenstein 2 and Far Cry 5:

    http://gamingbolt.com/far-cry-5-and-...id-packed-math

    This is probably why so many more reviews are positive about Vega56 - it beats the GTX1070(with higher power consumption but more like an RX580),and unless miners jack up the price is around the same price.

    Many reviews also have said Vega seems to do much better than past AMD cards in Nvidia Gameworks games.

    It will be with all the recent AMD card releases,its crap,meh - I remember people arguing with me here about the merits of a GTX1060 3GB over a RX470 4GB on this forum,and yet now see this:

    http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/graphi...-pulse-oc-4gb/

    That is basically an aftermarket RX470 against a GTX1060 6GB.
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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    I feel bad for AMD with this, they have been doing so well on the CPU side of things that a decent GPU could have given them a huge boost in parts sales to OEMS for pre built gaming machine sales, I mean that may still happen to a point, but not as much as they would have hoped I guess.

    It just all seems too little too late to pull any customers away from Nvidia now. It's not a big enough boost to be worth making a jump from a 1070, and 1080+ owners won't even look at it. I doubt even many GeForce 9 series or 1060 users will be too impressed by it either and will be waiting for 11 or 12 series from Nvidia now. It seems to me that these are literally only worth looking at if you are a die hard AMD fan that has been holding out for a 1070 alternative.

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    Re: AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 and Radeon RX Vega 56

    Quote Originally Posted by EvilCycle View Post
    I doubt even many GeForce 9 series or 1060 users will be too impressed by it either and will be waiting for 11 or 12 series from Nvidia now. It seems to me that these are literally only worth looking at if you are a die hard AMD fan that has been holding out for a 1070 alternative.
    I don't think owners of current or even last gen cards are the target here. I probably spend more on graphics cards than most households, yet right now we only have an RX 480 in my wife's PC as an up to date card. My daughter has an R7 260X at the lowest end. But still, I have to look at the performance improvement over my R9 380 and wonder if there are more fun things I can spend my money on as graphics cards are way beyond an impulse purchase these days compared to the £130 I used to spend on the 4200GT, 6600GT etc.

    Something that might interest a few people here, according to Phoronix the open source driver for Vega trounces the closed source hybrid Linux driver: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pag...lium-pro&num=3

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