How do I do this?

[pyro]

Right, so I am at 5km, while climbing, I shut the engine off and try to balance the place so it will start diving on its tail, but every time it just flips and dives normaly...any way I can make it dive the way I want?

[Tumble]

look out of the side of your cockpit and try to keep the horizon in the same place. Also YOU choose when to stall out, not the aeroplane and then you can stay in control. The rudder isa very important in this manouvre, as you need it to keep the aircraft pointing straight up - you must stay as near to vertical as you can - that way whern the thing stalls out, it'll drop the nose, but through the yaw axis rather than the pitch. Hope that made sense.. I'll find my TB-3 Tailstall track later and whack it up here for reference

[MA_Moby]

Originally Posted by pyro

Right, so I am at 5km, while climbing, I shut the engine off and try to balance the place so it will start diving on its tail, but every time it just flips and dives normaly...any way I can make it dive the way I want?

What plane are you flying Pyro? Is this in IL-2 or the 'other'?

Most aircraft will be designed to automatically go into a slight gliding dive. A plane is after all designed to go forwards rather than backwards.

If you are trying to get the plane to fall vertically on it's tail this is extremely difficult. As you have noticed it wants to fall forwards and get a forwards airflow over it's wings again. Keeping a bit of power on, and careful use of the rudder, might enable you to keep it in the position you want for longer. But remember that as soon as you stall, or as soon as you have negative airflow over the wings, most of your control surfaces are rendered useless, or will behave unpredictably, until you regain enough positive airflow.

A stall turn (or hammerhead) is relatively easy. Just fly vertically and let the speed bleed off - then just before the moment of stall kick full rudder, and round you should go.

[Skii]

WW2 planes are not really built for this manouvre tbh. Much easier in a modern Mig

[Zak33]

Tumble will find a way

[Skii]

Moby pretty much sums it up in far more intelligent words than I is capable of doing

No forward airflow over wings, no control.

You might get lucky and tailslide it for a second, but your most likely to pitch over to one side with no control - or spin

[Zak33]

drop the undercarriage......itll hold it vertical when it WANTS to go over on its canopy....but only for a few more seconds...

then CHAOS THEORY......could go anyway

[Nick]

The way to get a few more seconds out is to apply full power just BEFORE the plane starts to drop.... essentially you're trying to hang the thing on it's prop. The only plane with a power to weight ratio high enough for this that I've ever seen is the Jaguar Special, (think thats what it's called)... that baby could hang on the prop but then started to do a torque spin....

So, to recap.... zooming climb into the vertical, cut the power and use forward stick to keep vertical (most planes will flip over on their backs due to the lift over the wings pulling that way), use rudder to keep her pointing up and leave the ailerons alone as you'll stall a wing and spin if you use them. Practise a few times to see where she stalls out into an uncontrolled stall and make a note of it.

Repeat all of the above then apply MAX power a few seconds before that stall speed so the engine is already going full chat when you hit that speed... you'll stay in the tail stal a bit longer and even have a touch of rudder control to keep it there a bit longer too.

Oh, and try it at a lower altitude, the air is thicker and gives the prop more to bite into, start you zooming climb from about 1000 or so... you'll get better hang times.

The next trick is to do all of that but kick full rudder about 20-30kph before the stall with full power applied and do a nifty tail slide through the vertical... this is an excellent move to use in a 190 on anyone try to follow you in a climb.... if they haven't hit you as you stall out, they will most likely have already stalled as YOU turn giving you an easy target to dive down on....

[Dakaras]

Hehe shame I lost my tail slide track, slide bout 300ms once in a Mig3U

[pyro]

Thanks for the replies guys! I only tried it with a bf later version, the il2 seems too big to do something like that, plus, in all of my lowalt dogfights with an il2, its most likely that it will crash, so it kinda get me thinking that the bf, being more manuvureable, is better for something like that...

Anyway, I will keep on trying with different planes to see whats the best for that!


Cheers!

[Nick]

If you've got AEP, try it in a Glad, but trim it for nose down flight first or it'll flip on its back no matter what.... the Glad rocks for stall turns though... dead easy to do.

[MA_Moby]

Originally Posted by pyro

Anyway, I will keep on trying with different planes to see whats the best for that!

The FW190 is great fun when it comes to stall turns. It has bags of power and flicks around easily. It really is soooo much fun!

[Zak33]

flicks around easily....thats what I'm tryint to TAME

Over 550 is cool......