Aliens vs Predator - Requiem

[Sinizter]

Im going to watch this is in about 15mins.

[Sinizter]

Originally Posted by Sinizter

Im going to watch this is in about 15mins.

Was about what I expected from a AVP movie.

Predator and humans seemed a little dumber than last time.

Feel mildly disappointed even if it was more or less what I expected.

"Governments dont lie to people".

[Jay]

lets be honest AVP was bad....

Alien, Aliens and Predator where 3 fantastic films, the rest have been awful

[Skinleech]

Originally Posted by jay_oasis

lets be honest AVP was bad....

Alien, Aliens and Predator where 3 fantastic films, the rest have been awful

Did you ever see the alternate cut of Alien3 that was on the SE dvds? It was a far better cut, closer to Fincher's original cut, but still not quite there. Much closer to the Allan Dean Foster book as well, and well worth checking out.

[Dorza]

A couple of mates went to see this yesterday, and despite me saying previously that I wouldn't bother, the opportunity was there to go watch it so I did. Frankly those that give this 0-4 out of 10 either don't know the previous films/story very well and get confused or their just plain picky. I completely agree with what Knoxville said. It was far from being a fantastic movie but it certainly isn't worthy of the 0-4/10 people are giving it and it's quite a bit better than the first one.

Some things that I found odd, weird, out of place/character and in general brought it down a bit were as follows...

- Chest busting a kid - more realistic given the nature of Alien, but not necessary even in this film imo.

- A couple of characters go down the sewers looking for their lost car keys. Who the hell does that and whats the chances of finding them like they did? It was just a silly idea really.

- Only one "hunting" predator throughout the whole film to take on the big task of eradicating the Alien infestation. Send a few and make it more interesting, even if they only appear later in the film as backup for the first predator. It would be novel if for once, just one predator made it back home alive, since all that have come to Earth to "hunt" thus far, have stayed and died on Earth.

- Predator kills, without honor. He kills one or two people who aren't worth killing such as the policeman in the forest. Totally out of character, because its honor and tradition that sets Predator apart from Alien.... Alien is a done deal; your dead if you can't defend your self. But with Predator if your good prey that can put up a good fight your hunted, if your not good prey or are deemed neutral you're left alone, just like in all the previous films but not this one. Not good and as a fan of Predator I was quite disappointed with this aspect of the film.

- Stomach busting pregnant women in a hospital was just plain wrong and the resulting and multiple Aliens that emerged from each womans stomach just looked silly. They made it look like a nest and made a few people chuckle.

- "Governments don't lie to people" is one of the worst lines I can recall in a film. It made a bunch of people laugh in the row behind us.

- Lastly (and as knoxville said), Predator was actually quite dumb in parts. Again, out of character.


These are what I thought were the biggest flaws, but other than that it was a semi-decent film, packed with much more Alien V Predator fight scenes than the first one. I'd give it 6/10.

[Parm]

Dorza!

After all those dislikes, how could you reward it a 6/10? I'm gonna have to ask, for arguments sake, which parts specifically did you think were really good?

[godsdog]

I was just pissed because it could and should have been so much more.

[Dorza]

Originally Posted by Parm

Dorza!

After all those dislikes, how could you reward it a 6/10? I'm gonna have to ask, for arguments sake, which parts specifically did you think were really good?

Knew this would happen . I never said that I thought any one part was really good. As a whole it was semi-decent in my view, which for me is a 5 or a 6.

No film is perfect (most aren't anyway) and it is possible (for me anyway) to pass some things off and try to enjoy the film as a whole as best as possible, and thats what I did when I watched this film. If you can't try to enjoy the film you have purposefully set out to go and watch, even just a little, then whats the point? To me the points I made are the main things that I picked up on that could have been done differently or changed. Plus they only lasted a few seconds in a 90 minute film most of them, so as they are they won't necessarily make may say the film is only worth 3 out of 10. The issues I had with it just aren't bad enough to warrant me giving it less than 5 or 6.

They are just the things that stood out and that I noted as the main issues. I could pick things from films with 8 or 9/10 as things I am disappointed with, but it doesn't mean I would rate the film as a whole any differently. Plus to be honest with you, I'm a big Predator fan so I'm generally rather pleased to see the thing on film .

[TooNice]

Originally Posted by Knoxville

there were no human predator team ups

That's one aspect I had no problem with - it's faithful to several AvP comics.

Originally Posted by Dorza

- Chest busting a kid - more realistic given the nature of Alien, but not necessary even in this film imo.

- Stomach busting pregnant women in a hospital was just plain wrong and the resulting and multiple Aliens that emerged from each womans stomach just looked silly. They made it look like a nest and made a few people chuckle.

I was surprised, almost shocked, but not in a bad way. I've been wondering for a few years whether the reason we don't have we don't see young chil/baby victims a case of censorship/political correctness thing (I remember kids being removed in some version of Fallout).

Did it look like an attempt of gratuitous violence taken to a new level? Perhaps. But if they are going to have a child walking in the jungle, the father killed, then I'd most likely have shaken my head if I'd seen the kid run off safely to the police. Either remove the whole scene, the kid, or make him a victim. Aliens don't make exceptions. That goes for the hospital scene too: it was ruthless, but appropriate if there was going to be a scene in the hospital. I am partly surprised that those scene didn't get the movie a rating of 18, but I've got no complaint with it being there.

Originally Posted by Dorza

"Governments don't lie to people" is one of the worst lines I can recall in a film. It made a bunch of people laugh in the row behind us.

I think the line served it's purpose then. I found that line amusing.

Originally Posted by Dorza

- Predator kills, without honor. He kills one or two people who aren't worth killing such as the policeman in the forest. Totally out of character, because its honor and tradition that sets Predator apart from Alien.... Alien is a done deal; your dead if you can't defend your self. But with Predator if your good prey that can put up a good fight your hunted, if your not good prey or are deemed neutral you're left alone, just like in all the previous films but not this one. Not good and as a fan of Predator I was quite disappointed with this aspect of the film.

This one got to me too, especially during the movie. I think it depends whether you think it makes sense for predators to have a policy of cleaning up their mess. As a 'cleaner' seeking to eradicate evidence of their existence, it would make sense for it to kill any eye witness. Whether it was necessary to skin the guy, I'd have to say no. Frankly speaking, I don't remember Predator 2 at all, so I don't remember how often they go about killing innocent people. I vaguely remember that scientists who were at the right time/place have been killed in the comics though.

Originally Posted by Dorza

- Lastly (and as knoxville said), Predator was actually quite dumb in parts. Again, out of character.

Definitely. I seem to remember that some of the Predators in the first AvP to be less than impressive, but I'd imagine this one must've been above average given the task.

Originally Posted by Dorza

- A couple of characters go down the sewers looking for their lost car keys. Who the hell does that and whats the chances of finding them like they did? It was just a silly idea really.

- Only one "hunting" predator throughout the whole film to take on the big task of eradicating the Alien infestation. Send a few and make it more interesting, even if they only appear later in the film as backup for the first predator. It would be novel if for once, just one predator made it back home alive, since all that have come to Earth to "hunt" thus far, have stayed and died on Earth.

I agree that it didn't have the strongest plot lines. There was some 'slasher' movie moments (i.e. silly humans), I am also partly amused how the little girl who insisted that daddy read the bedtime story seems to have forgotten all about daddy after 5 minutes. But I found the ruthlessness of Aliens/Predaliens a redeeming value.

I didn't go to the movie expecting a masterpiece. It's not memorable, but better than the first one. But the one thing I was not too pleased about was the action scene. They were too dark (lighting wise), the camera is up too close, and at it's pace (fast), it was not always clear to me what went on.

A 6.25/10 in my book.

[sp3n]

i award this movie a solid 0/10
i walked out after 25mins and felt that my vision and hearing had been violated during that short time

[Knoxville]

Originally Posted by TooNice

That's one aspect I had no problem with - it's faithful to several AvP comics.

It wasn't nearly as shoddily handled in the comics though if memory serves.

Originally Posted by TooNice

This one got to me too, especially during the movie. I think it depends whether you think it makes sense for predators to have a policy of cleaning up their mess. As a 'cleaner' seeking to eradicate evidence of their existence, it would make sense for it to kill any eye witness. Whether it was necessary to skin the guy, I'd have to say no. Frankly speaking, I don't remember Predator 2 at all, so I don't remember how often they go about killing innocent people. I vaguely remember that scientists who were at the right time/place have been killed in the comics though.

The cop was armed and had seen the Predator disposing of evidence which counts as enough to justify a kill as far as Predators are concerned; in Predator 2 there's the scene on the train where several civilians get done in because they're carrying weapons, Danny Glovers partner is also killed (and possibly skinned) for having found part of a Predators weaponry, it happens in a few of the comic crossovers as well if I remember rightly so its not uncommon within the universe.

[TooNice]

^ About the first point, quite possibly. I remember enjoying the comic yet not the first movie, so it's probably more an issue with the implementation rather than the idea itself.

You could be right on the 2nd point, my memory is kinda fuzzy. I remember the Predator being a clear villain with honour in some instances, yet an anti-hero in others. The later is fresher to my mind for some reason hence my last comment.

[k0nigen]

Originally Posted by Skinleech

Did you ever see the alternate cut of Alien3 that was on the SE dvds? It was a far better cut, closer to Fincher's original cut, but still not quite there. Much closer to the Allan Dean Foster book as well, and well worth checking out.

Pretty sure the A D Foster book was a novelis(z)ation of Alien 3

[rastamanblues]

I saw the film on saturday afternoon/evening, and must say I found it awful, sub par plot, bad script, and was it just me or was the camera hard to follow, in that at times it was very hard to make out who was fighting and who was winning/losing etc.

[Workaholic]

I would give it a measy 2!

I'd expected the hybrid to have used a lot of the predator's weaponry etc. The only thing it seemed to have inheritied was the look, strength and the "motherness" of getting its smaller being do the killing for honor...

[undergroove]

Originally Posted by k0nigen

Pretty sure the A D Foster book was a novelis(z)ation of Alien 3

Think it was, sort of.

Pretty much everything that's present in the assembly cut of Alien3 was present in ADF's book. There are a good few scenes re-instated in the assembly cut that tie up some loose ends, particularly the mass killings in the tunnels and how "the dragon" escapes.

Remember reading the book at the time and seeing the first trailers, only be be cruelly shafted by the suits at Fox and their meddling.... seeing the assembly cut years later (on poor VHS and later DVD), made me decide it's a classic, if slightly flawed still in places.

AVP and AVP:Requiem though.... hmmm.... where do I start?!