Results 1 to 12 of 12

Thread: is this statement true?

  1. #1
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,176
    Thanks
    3,121
    Thanked
    3,173 times in 1,922 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    is this statement true?

    The maximum speed a user can get is 24 Megs bits per second (24 Mbps) which roughly translates to 2 Mega bytes (MB) per second.Remember to stop all other downloads while performing this test otherwise the numbers given will not be accurate.
    is this true?

    ignoring the spelling mistake, I'd have said 24 Mega bits per second was more like exactly 3 Mega bytes per second... or am I missing something?

    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  2. #2
    HEXUS.timelord. Zak33's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    I'm a Jessie
    Posts
    35,176
    Thanks
    3,121
    Thanked
    3,173 times in 1,922 posts
    • Zak33's system
      • Storage:
      • Kingston HyperX SSD, Hitachi 1Tb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Nvidia 1050
      • PSU:
      • Coolermaster 800w
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT01
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Internet:
      • Zen FTC uber speedy

    Re: is this statement true?


    Quote Originally Posted by Advice Trinity by Knoxville
    "The second you aren't paying attention to the tool you're using, it will take your fingers from you. It does not know sympathy." |
    "If you don't gaffer it, it will gaffer you" | "Belt and braces"

  3. #3
    A shadowy flight. MSIC's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    London/Herts
    Posts
    3,413
    Thanks
    394
    Thanked
    229 times in 168 posts
    • MSIC's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASRock H170M-ITX
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 6500
      • Memory:
      • 2 x 4GB Corsair Veng DDR4 2666
      • Storage:
      • 240GB SSD (boot) +1TB Samsung F3
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ASUS GeForce 750Ti
      • PSU:
      • Silverstone 450W ST455F
      • Case:
      • Silverstone SG06-450
      • Operating System:
      • Win10
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2309W
      • Internet:
      • PlusNet FiberTTC

    Re: is this statement true?

    They've clearly got their maths wrong.
    8 bits in a byte, that's a simple fact.
    I'm commenting on an internet forum. Your facts hold no sway over me.
    - Another poster, from another forum.

    System as shown, plus: Microsoft Wireless mobile 4000 mouse and Logitech Illuminated keyboard.
    Sennheiser RS160 wireless headphones. Creative Gigaworks T40 SII. My wife.
    My Hexus Trust

  4. #4
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    2,129
    Thanks
    13
    Thanked
    189 times in 160 posts

    Re: is this statement true?

    Quote Originally Posted by MSIC View Post
    They've clearly got their maths wrong.
    8 bits in a byte, that's a simple fact.
    Error detection?

    ADSL must use >8 bits per byte or there would be no guarantee of the data being correct.

    Packet overhead?


    Anyone know the actual bits per byte?

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2005
    Posts
    4,935
    Thanks
    171
    Thanked
    384 times in 311 posts
    • badass's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASUS P8Z77-m pro
      • CPU:
      • Core i5 3570K
      • Memory:
      • 32GB
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Samsung 850 EVO, 2TB WD Green
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Radeon RX 580
      • PSU:
      • Corsair HX520W
      • Case:
      • Silverstone SG02-F
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 10 X64
      • Monitor(s):
      • Del U2311, LG226WTQ
      • Internet:
      • 80/20 FTTC

    Re: is this statement true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zak33 View Post
    is this true?

    ignoring the spelling mistake, I'd have said 24 Mega bits per second was more like exactly 3 Mega bytes per second... or am I missing something?
    That's the line rate.
    to get your transfer rate, those 1's and 0's (your 2 MB/sec) are encapsulated in segments which have an overhead.
    Those frames are then encapsulated in packets which have their own overhead.
    Those packets are then encapsulated in frames which have more overhead. There's a lot of redundant data here in particular for error correction and checking.
    This is all necessary to ensure your data can just as easily get from one end of the world to the other as getting from one room to the other.

    However if you sync at 24 Mb the you should still see more like 2.6MB/sec if the line is being fully used.
    "In a perfect world... spammers would get caught, go to jail, and share a cell with many men who have enlarged their penises, taken Viagra and are looking for a new relationship."

  6. #6
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Posts
    2,129
    Thanks
    13
    Thanked
    189 times in 160 posts

    Re: is this statement true?

    Found more info.

    If we assume a 1500 packet size the overhead per packet is 48 bytes.

    There are (48/1500)*8 extra bits per packet 0.256

    However not all packets will be 1500 in size.

    So say a 48 byte packet...

    (48/48)*8 = 8

    Hence per 8 bits of data (ish as fag packet calc) there are are between 8.256 and 16 bits sent.

    Ie. the original statement is a guesstimate. Which is the only thing you can do.
    \

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2008
    Posts
    925
    Thanks
    4
    Thanked
    161 times in 148 posts
    • smargh's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P
      • CPU:
      • Xeon E5450 with 775-to-771 Mod
      • Memory:
      • 16GB Crucial
      • Storage:
      • Intel X25-M G2 80GB/Adaptec 3405 4x 2TB Ultrastar RAID1 / 1x 6TB Hitachi He6 / Dying 2TB Samsung
      • Graphics card(s):
      • GTX 750 Ti
      • PSU:
      • Seasonic X-560
      • Case:
      • Lian-Li PC-A71
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
      • Monitor(s):
      • BenQ G2400WD
      • Internet:
      • Really Crap ADSL2 <3Mbit

    Re: is this statement true?

    Real-life transfer speeds, with a 24Mb DSL sync, hover around 2,600 kilobytes per second (= 2.54 megabytes per second).

    According to NetMeter, anyway.

    Last edited by smargh; 01-01-2011 at 06:20 PM.

  8. #8
    jim
    jim is offline
    HEXUS.clueless jim's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Location: Location:
    Posts
    11,457
    Thanks
    613
    Thanked
    1,645 times in 1,307 posts
    • jim's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus Maximus IV Gene-Z
      • CPU:
      • i5 2500K @ 4.5GHz
      • Memory:
      • 8GB Corsair Vengeance LP
      • Storage:
      • 1TB Sandisk SSD
      • Graphics card(s):
      • ASUS GTX 970
      • PSU:
      • Corsair AX650
      • Case:
      • Silverstone Fortress FT03
      • Operating System:
      • 8.1 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell S2716DG
      • Internet:
      • 10 Mbps ADSL

    Re: is this statement true?

    I think they're just trying to be realistic. On the assumption that no-one will actually get 24Mbps, more like 20Mbps at best, then we're already down to about 2.5MBps.

    Then considering overheads, the difficulty in focussing all of your pipe onto one single download, people will probably never see anything near 3MBps, and 2MBps is a more sensible illustration.

  9. #9
    Administrator Moby-Dick's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    There's no place like ::1 (IPv6 version)
    Posts
    10,665
    Thanks
    53
    Thanked
    385 times in 314 posts

    Re: is this statement true?

    Its still 10 times quicker than the wet bit of string that they have the brass bound nerve to call "broadband" in my neck of the woods. !!
    my Virtualisation Blog http://jfvi.co.uk Virtualisation Podcast http://vsoup.net

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Norfolk
    Posts
    474
    Thanks
    3
    Thanked
    26 times in 26 posts
    • pipTheGeek's system
      • Motherboard:
      • Asus P6T Deluxe
      • CPU:
      • Core i7 920 @ 3.6GHz
      • Memory:
      • 3 * 2Gb Corsair XMS @ DDR3 1800
      • Storage:
      • 300GB 15K SAS + 500Gb
      • Graphics card(s):
      • GTX570
      • PSU:
      • corsair 760i
      • Case:
      • Corsair 550d
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 7
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell Alienware 23"
      • Internet:
      • VM 50Mb

    Re: is this statement true?

    Dont forget that 24Mbs is 24 million (24 000 000) bits per second. This translates to 3 000 000 bytes per second which is not 3Mb/s.


    Unless you make hard drives...

  11. #11
    Headless Chicken Terbinator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Posts
    7,670
    Thanks
    1,210
    Thanked
    727 times in 595 posts
    • Terbinator's system
      • Motherboard:
      • ASRock H61M
      • CPU:
      • Intel Xeon 1230-V3
      • Memory:
      • Geil Evo Corsa 2133/8GB
      • Storage:
      • M4 128GB, 2TB WD Red
      • Graphics card(s):
      • Gigabyte GTX Titan
      • PSU:
      • Corsair AX760i
      • Case:
      • Coolermaster 130
      • Operating System:
      • Windows 8.1 Pro
      • Monitor(s):
      • Dell Ultrasharp U2711H
      • Internet:
      • Virgin Media 60Mb.

    Re: is this statement true?

    The good 'ol HDD industry.
    Kalniel: "Nice review Tarinder - would it be possible to get a picture of the case when the components are installed (with the side off obviously)?"
    CAT-THE-FIFTH: "The Antec 300 is a case which has an understated and clean appearance which many people like. Not everyone is into e-peen looking computers which look like a cross between the imagination of a hyperactive 10 year old and a Frog."
    TKPeters: "Off to AVForum better Deal - £20+Vat for Free Shipping @ Scan"
    for all intents it seems to be the same card minus some gays name on it and a shielded cover ? with OEM added to it - GoNz0.

  12. #12
    Jay
    Jay is offline
    Gentlemen.. we're history Jay's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Jita
    Posts
    8,365
    Thanks
    304
    Thanked
    568 times in 409 posts

    Re: is this statement true?

    to actually answer the question...

    "no"
    □ΞVΞ□

  13. Received thanks from:

    Zak33 (02-01-2011)

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Similar Threads

  1. i7 Upgrade Advice (PSU/Case fans/Lapping TRUE)
    By collettnj in forum PC Hardware and Components
    Replies: 27
    Last Post: 16-09-2009, 10:58 PM
  2. Replies: 32
    Last Post: 22-05-2006, 12:57 PM
  3. Macross II Anime Film, True Masterpiece! **Heavy Spoilers!**
    By retroborg in forum General Discussion
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 13-04-2006, 03:27 PM
  4. acronis true image 9.0
    By lodore in forum Software
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 18-03-2006, 10:05 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •