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    Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Something a bit different to the usual home networking and internet questions / challenges / solutions

    My old man's finishing building a narrowboat in which he plans to live.

    I've done a lot of internal wiring with nice FTP Cat6 to a plethora of RJ45 sockets around the place.
    One thing which we're still to determine is how best to obtain internet access over a 3G/4G antennae.

    He's currently been living in a caravan so already has experience with mobile internet - using a mixture of USB 3G dongles and also a few Huawei E5573 4G receivers, but with variable amounts of success which I've put down to mainly being in a bad reception area. He has three dedicated SIMs, so pretty flexible solution with two levels of backup possible. I seem to remember they're on different networks too which has proved really handy as we still don't have national roaming. None of that will help if he's in a dead area of course... And, as he'll be arguably even lower to the ground I want to figure out what's the best way of doing it.

    With the wiring we have in place, we have a few options:
    1. Get a pure 3G/4G AP with seperate aerial inputs. Get a seperate Ethernet-only router (no WiFi). Get a dedicated WiFi AP. Arguably the most flexible as we can mix and match and should one device fail, only the services it provides will be affected. Reliability is an issue of course as getting something delivered is out of the question with constantly changing addresses! The wiring allows for this - see drawing.
    2. Getting something that's purely a 3G/4G access point (essentially a 3G to RJ45 wired ethernet bridge), then have a classic WiFi router with a WAN port into which the 3G / Internet plugs in. That gives a lot of options on the WiFI router front. Need to figure out what best to obtain for the 3G/4G net access. But as it disassociates the 3G/4G point from the router, it also means that can be outside as most of them are weatherproof.
    3. Getting an all-in-one 3G/4G WiFi router. Least favourite option: would require weatherproofing unless aerial section can be at the end of an RF cable.

    As far as the wired connections are concerned, as we have quite a few ports, I've planned for a seperate unmanaged L2 GbE switch where all the network points and WiFi AP plug into. So port count on the router bit isn't a real concern. There will be servers, media players, IP cameras, etc all plugging in.

    The blue cables below are the Cat6 network ones arriving where the study is and where the network patch panel / switch will be. The WiFi AP is potentially in the middle of the boat - where the loopy cable is between the two skylight holes. Whilst we could use the WiFi on the router, if the router is in the study at the back, reception probably won't be that good at the front of the boat hence the idea of putting it somewhere in the middle.



    The biggest question is how best to have mobile internet. The existing Huawei E5573 units won't really work inside the boat and cannot be placed outside as they're not weatherproof. He currently has a proper 3G/4G aerial which plugs into the Huawei E5573 unit, but receptions is often worse than using the Hauwei on its own. I don't know what the aerial is right now (it's buried in the back of a trailer!)

    So, ideas welcome

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Interesting thread! Havent done anything on narrow boats but have played with wifi and 4G in Norfolk Broads cruisers, the company I hire from has started providing 4G wifi hubs with their boats, with mixed results. So I decided to have a go using my own kit to see if I could improve things, which I could.

    The unit I use is a Huawei E8278, it looks like an oversized usb wifi dongle but is actually a 4G wifi modem, it gets power over usb. The reason for using this is that it accepts external antennas, and was cheap. Getting outside the structure of the boat increases signal quality massively, getting the antenna high improves things more (I use a cheap telescopic fishing pole). Connection was surprisingly good at times, good enough to watch Game of Thrones in nowtv, I could also switch sims to get connection if one network didnt work, but was non existent in out of the way places. The antenna I use was very cheap, but this looks like a reasonable one to try
    http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mobile-Bro...25.m3641.l6368


    As a backup I also added a good quality usb wifi adapter for my laptop, again allowing external antennas, including a high gain directional and a omnidirectional. Our home broadband is with BT so I could access their rather large wifi network. If you or somebody else in the family has BT broadband your Dad could use BT wifi as a backup for free.

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Super thanks Flibb. I'll check out that E8278 thing

    Obviously I don't want to spend an absolute fortune on this, but if for a few more quid you get a ruggedised / bombproof solution, then let's hear about it Interesting to hear you could come up with something better than what an outfit was putting in I'm the outfitter, so if it doesn't work well, I can only have a go at myself

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    The Huawei B315 looks more like what you are after, around £120 on ebay. Just add the exteral antenna and you should get a good system. Get the antenna as high as possible.

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    I am sitting here on my narrowboat reading this thread. Solutions seem complicated to this simple soul (worked in IT for 20 years).

    My experience having been aboard for three years is that a standard mifi with attached aerial(s) is more than sufficient. 4G and up to 10 devices. Just ensure the aerials are on the roof (mine have magnetic base).

    I use 3 mostly with EE as backup. There have been few places on the canal system I have not had a signal for broadband internet. Mostly the signal is good enough to watch iPlayer (or similar) in HD or stream movies (Netflix, etc).

    Mifi device free with contract, Mine is only 15GB per month for £17.

    One point is that my boat is mostly open plan and the mifi device is near the front but I can sit in bed with my tablet and the wifi signal is fine.

    Will be interested to see how it all turns out for you :-)

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Thanks John, useful info! BTW, did you just join Hexus as you searched / found this thread?

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Quote Originally Posted by tfboy View Post
    Thanks John, useful info! BTW, did you just join Hexus as you searched / found this thread?
    Yes :-)

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Cheers John.
    Out of interest, what external aerial would you recommend? My old man's had a few issues with his and we can't figure out whether it's the actual unit, the dual link cable or the horribly tight SMA connectors on the end.

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    Re: Narrowboat networking and internet access

    Won't recommend a particular item and the world has moved on since I bought mine nearly 3 years ago (as usual!).

    Here is the spec for mine :

    Huawei 11dBi high gain TS9 Antenna with car magnetic stand and 5 m cable
    Magnetic Omni Antenna with very high efficiency for all mobile systems: GPRS / EDGE / 3G, UMTS and HSDPA, HSPA, HSPA+, 4G, LTE (EE). Frequency Range: 850-960 1710-2170 Mhz
    Equipped with an integrated cable with a length of 5 meters and TS9 connector for Sierra Wireless, Huawei and ZTE modems

    Specification :
    3G UMTS Antenna magnetic mounting
    Frequency Range(MHz) 890-960/1710-2170
    Gain (dBi) 11 dBi
    Connector : Merlin connector, Huawei
    Frequency Range(MHz) 890-960/1710-2170
    VSWR =1.5
    Gain(dBi) 11
    Max Input power(W) 60
    Input Impedance(O) 50
    Polarization Type Vertical
    Antenna Length(mm) 410, 460 with stand
    Cable Length(mm) 5M
    Cable Type RG 174
    Huawei connector
    Mounting Magnetic
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    Storage Temperature -45'c to +75'c
    Operating Temperature -45'c to+75'c

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