MS tricks die-hard XP users into liking Vista

[MadduckUK]

Originally Posted by dangel

Period.

no, its a bloody mess!

[dangel]

Originally Posted by MadduckUK

no, its a bloody mess!

Groan!!

Still, it's quite a break for MS - and a clever idea (give that man a bonus) too. I do hope we get too see some of the footage!

[JimmyBoy]

I've been enjoying vista since i got it quite a while back, my girlfriend had it on a laptop she bought before i had it and i must admit at the time i didnt like it, but since getting used to it on my rig (not to mention sp1 fixing a lot of problems) i think its great. xp looks so dated to me now

[streetster]

I (re)installed vista x64 last week after i got my 4870, i'd had it installed for the past year or so, but there was no real incentive to use it compared to xp (i got it free from the ms e-academy ) so far so good now though

[Lucio]

Originally Posted by Saracen

There are plenty of reasons not to switch, depending on your circumstances.

I'd go one step further and say that's practically no reason to make the switch. If you have a stable PC running WindowsXP, there's nothing to gain from making the switch to a new OS at the moment. There's precious little "Vista only" software out there and the gains for gaming have yet to materialize.

It's not that Vista is a bad choice for an OS, far from it, on a new machine it's a better choice and I personally am quite happy with my Vista experience, but I can't ever see a reason to upgrade from XP.

[Saracen]

Originally Posted by Lucio

I'd go one step further and say that's practically no reason to make the switch. If you have a stable PC running WindowsXP, there's nothing to gain from making the switch to a new OS at the moment. There's precious little "Vista only" software out there and the gains for gaming have yet to materialize.

It's not that Vista is a bad choice for an OS, far from it, on a new machine it's a better choice and I personally am quite happy with my Vista experience, but I can't ever see a reason to upgrade from XP.

Without wishing to seem contrary for the sake of it, by adopting one view then the other, I can see reasons why people would adopt it too.

Perhaps the biggest is that sooner or later, the disadvantages will be outweighed by advantages .... though it might skip a generation straight past Vista. I'm no OS guru (or even close to it), but I could see how, for instance, TPM and Bitlocker could be a reason, though clearly, more for business users than home ones. The structure of the driver model might be a good reason to move too, and so might coherent corporate support when the tip-over point to a new infrastructure arrives. Even default settings and UAC, for all that it can also be a right pain, can be beneficial in many situations.

As with the case for not adopting it, the case for adopting it varies, and for each of us (individual or business), it depends on why you're switching, what advantages you'll gain and what it'll cost. And by "cost", I don't just mean licence fees. In fact, for many business users, that'll be a small part of the total cost.

Personally, I think it'd be daft if I suggested there were no benefits to switching, but I equally think it'd be daft to suggest that switching is always a bright idea. It all depends on the situation, what you expect to get from it, what it'll cost, what disruption it'll cause, and so on.

[aidanjt]

Originally Posted by Lucio

I'd go one step further and say that's practically no reason to make the switch. If you have a stable PC running WindowsXP, there's nothing to gain from making the switch to a new OS at the moment. There's precious little "Vista only" software out there and the gains for gaming have yet to materialize.

It's not that Vista is a bad choice for an OS, far from it, on a new machine it's a better choice and I personally am quite happy with my Vista experience, but I can't ever see a reason to upgrade from XP.

Then you haven't looked into it. Unsurprisingly, Microsoft made a *lot* of changes over it's 5 year development span, and anyone that does more than scratch the surface can see that. There's far more to Vista than just Aero (or 'oohhhhh, purdy!').

[TiG]

Well i'm still stuck on XP as the Telephony software I write in still refuses to run with Vista.

I'll be able to move when someone gets a driver/software sorted to windows 2k8, and then finally i might be able to use vista myself.

TiG

[vrykyl]

vista x64 = win

Used it since the beta, still like it - especially now driver/program support is pretty much 100% for stuff that I use

[mrsobvious]

I've no idea why the likes of Dell dont offer Vista X64. It's got a lot of pluses eg not being restricted to 4GB of addressable memory (including graphics memory etc). And as you say vrykyl, driver support is pretty solid now.

[rickworden]

What? - who thinks VISTA is OK - It's ****. Is it faster?? ---no! is it easier to operate ---no! Is it more robust?? ---no! Does it actually improve anything compared to XP --- NO!! Quick test to all out there - tell me how to implement HARDWARE PROFILES in VISTA. A successful answer and I will eat my hat, apologise in person to Bill Gates and promise to never dish MS again!

[aidanjt]

Originally Posted by rickworden

What? - who thinks VISTA is OK - It's ****.

I don't know about anyone else, but that's me convinced. Brilliant argument.

Originally Posted by rickworden

Is it faster?? ---no!

Yes.

Originally Posted by rickworden

is it easier to operate ---no!

Subjective, but generally, yes.

Originally Posted by rickworden

Is it more robust?? ---no!

Yes, by design.

Originally Posted by rickworden

Does it actually improve anything compared to XP --- NO!!

Yes, there's significant improvements to Vista across the board, just because you didn't bother to research, doesn't mean they don't exist. As with any binary only operating system, you only see what's on the surface, not what drives it.

Originally Posted by rickworden

Quick test to all out there - tell me how to implement HARDWARE PROFILES in VISTA. A successful answer and I will eat my hat

Elaborate, but I'm almost certain that you will need to get the salt and ketchup out to start eating your hat.

Further more, Vista is a significant technology shift for Microsoft compared to 2000->XP which was just a tarted up UI with some minor kernel modifications. And Vista's Gold Master came out a *LOT* more polished off than XP's, which took 2 service packs to bring it up to 'usable' status.

[dangel]

Vista hardware profiles are automatically created:

"You can still work with these hardware profiles as you could in Windows XP.
For example, you can disable specific services for a specific hardware
profile. This can be accomplished using the steps listed below.

1. Click Start, All Programs, Accessories then Administrative Tools.
2. Click the Services option.
3. Right click a service that you want to disable and click Properties.
4. Click the Log On tab.
5. The available hardware profiles will be listed at the bottom of the
window.
6. Select the appropriate profile from the list and click the Disable
button.
7. Click OK.
Now when Vista starts using the hardware profile, the specific service you
selected above will not be started."

And yes, it is faster, more robust and certainly no more difficult to use (in many ways it's easier e.g. i no longer have to hunt in my start menu) than XP. There are a myriad of improvements throughout the OS if only one bothers to look/try.

[[GSV]Trig]

Vista will be better than XP, by design as stated above, but IMHO its not had all the issues ironed out yet.

[mycarsavw]

Originally Posted by rickworden

<...> Quick test to all out there - tell me how to implement HARDWARE PROFILES in VISTA. A successful answer and I will eat my hat, apologise in person to Bill Gates and promise to never dish MS again!

Originally Posted by dangel

Vista hardware profiles are automatically created:

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[directhex]

beret a la king?