MS tricks die-hard XP users into liking Vista - Page 4

Splash · 27-07-2008, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by robots

Vista isn't as backwardly compatible as it should be, and it's not a good choice OS for many people.

And herein lies the rub: Microsoft release a new OS which doesn't support all apps built for an iteration of the OS from 5+ years ago and gets whined at. Apple do the same thing and everyone accepts it.

aidanjt · 27-07-2008, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by Splash

And herein lies the rub: Microsoft release a new OS which doesn't support all apps built for an iteration of the OS from 5+ years ago and gets whined at. Apple do the same thing and everyone accepts it.

And Microsoft didn't even break every single bit of software out there, only the crap/already-broken ones.

robots · 27-07-2008, 06:35 PM

But you are talking about blame. Who cares about blame? If someone tries Vista, and some things don't work or require hours of web browsing to find solutions - WHICH THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO DO ON XP, then they just switch back to XP. Blame isn't important. You didn't make a thread about blame, you made a thread about how people are ignorant idiots for not using Vista, and you are ignoring the fact that not everyone is a no life nerd who will spend an hour to get something working when they can just avoid that by sticking with their current OS. You are also ignoring the whole point that Vista isn't free... and it doesn't offer any important advantages to most people.

And I'll say it again, I'm not following a trend regardless of what idiotic kiddie nerd thought processes you seem to follow. If anyone is following a trend, it's you, jumping on the bandwagon of sad little internet pricks who are trying to tell people that they are stupid for not using Vista because their broken software/peripherals are not the fault of MS. Get a life.

aidanjt · 27-07-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by robots

But you are talking about blame. Who cares about blame? If someone tries Vista, and some things don't work or require hours of web browsing to find solutions - WHICH THEY WOULDN'T NEED TO DO ON XP, then they just switch back to XP. Blame isn't important. You didn't make a thread about blame, you made a thread about how people are ignorant idiots for not using Vista, and you are ignoring the fact that not everyone is a no life nerd who will spend an hour to get something working when they can just avoid that by sticking with their current OS. You are also ignoring the whole point that Vista isn't free... and it doesn't offer any important advantages to most people.

And I'll say it again, I'm not following a trend regardless of what idiotic kiddie nerd thought processes you seem to follow. If anyone is following a trend, it's you, jumping on the bandwagon of sad little internet pricks who are trying to tell people that they are stupid for not using Vista because their broken software/peripherals are not the fault of MS. Get a life.

I spent less time getting a Vista desktop installed and in a satisfactory state than I ever did with XP, especially these days since XP requires a huge host of MS libraries to get modern software to work with it. Vista requires little or no post-install effort beyond installing the software you want because nearly all these libraries are already an integral part of Vista. And I've yet to encounter non-crap software that didn't 'just work(tm)' with it. Hurling useless insults like calling us a bunch of 'nerds' doesn't help consolidate your position. Your anti-Vista position is clearly planted by blaming the operating system for broken software not working with it.

robots · 27-07-2008, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by aidanjt

I spent less time getting a Vista desktop installed and in a satisfactory state than I ever did with XP, especially these days since XP requires a huge host of MS libraries to get modern software to work with it. Vista requires little or no post-install effort beyond installing the software you want because nearly all these libraries are already an integral part of Vista. And I've yet to encounter non-crap software that didn't 'just work(tm)' with it. Hurling useless insults like calling us a bunch of 'nerds' doesn't help consolidate your position. Your anti-Vista position is clearly planted by blaming the operating system for broken software not working with it.

I'm not ANTI Vista, this is why I think you are a pathetic little internet nerd, because you don't seem to understand that. Only in the world of unwashed spotty little losers like you, does there exist just two factions, "The supporter of X geek tool" and "the hater of X geek tool". All I'm trying to explain to you, which is a complete waste of my time I can see now... is that most people don't care either way. They have better things to do with their lives. They take the path of least resistance, and currently that's XP - which also happens to be what most people already own.

**Agent** · 27-07-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by robots

I'm not ANTI Vista, this is why I think you are a little internet nerd, because you don't seem to understand that. Only in the world of unwashed spotty little losers like you,

You are welcome to discuss the pros and cons of any OS, but another outburst where you give out personal insults like that and your stay here will be very short.

We do not tolerate personal insults of any kind here. If you can not debate like an adult, don't debate at all.

Funkstar · 27-07-2008, 06:57 PM

But the path of least resistance when buying a new PC is to have Vista. You need to jump through hoops to get XP on anything now.

And a little bit of advice for conducting yourself on the Hexus forums: don't start down the road of calling people names when trying to make a point in your arguments, it really doesn't help your case. There shouldn't be a need for the swear filter to kick in and star out words in your posts, this is not looked on well by the moderators here. In short, tone it down, you might actually get more respect that way (and not get banned).

robots · 27-07-2008, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Agent

You are welcome to discuss the pros and cons of any OS, but another outburst where you give out personal insults like that and your stay here will be very short.

We do not tolerate personal insults of any kind here. If you can not debate like an adult, don't debate at all.

I see, ignorant trend follower is safe ground though.

aidanjt · 27-07-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by robots

I see, ignorant trend follower is safe ground though.

Ignorant means uninformed, it's not a pointless insult, it's a constructive criticism whereby people can realise that they lack knowledge in a particular area, and improve their knowledge if they choose to do so.

robots · 27-07-2008, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by aidanjt

it's not a pointless insult

Neither were mine.

Originally Posted by Funkstar

In short, tone it down, you might actually get more respect that way (and not get banned).

I don't want respect from the kind of people who think everyone are all ignorant sheep for not liking something. Or when I ask a question and a moderator comes in to tell me "Uh what you are asking is impossible", but a normal forum user gives me a simple solution 2 seconds later. This is clearly not a personable forum, but a forum for little people banging their little e-peens. That'll be why it doesn't reach any where near it's potential. People like that scare normal users off. It happens time and time again on millions of forums, and the result is a forum with a small clique population of hardcore epeen bangers and everyone else steers clear.

aidanjt · 27-07-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by robots

Neither were mine.

Indeed, it had a point of being abusive. And you're still doing it. As already pointed out, that isn't tolerated here.

**Agent** · 27-07-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by robots

Or when I ask a question and a moderator comes in to tell me "Uh what you are asking is impossible"

What are you on about?
If you're going to quote me, quote me. Not read what I said and insert your own imaginary version.

Like I said, you can debate what you want here. Thats what these forums are for, but the language you are using is not acceptable.

I see, ignorant trend follower is safe ground though.

If you feel someone is misinformed, explain to them why with your reasoning. They may not agree - thats life, people have different views on things. I'm certainly not going to ask aidanjt to stop putting his view forward as long he's doing it in a polite manor.

In short: Recommend that people use Widows 95 for all I care, but as soon as you start getting into name calling / personal insults / being immature about it, we won't tolerate it. Simple really

aidanjt · 27-07-2008, 07:39 PM

I'd also like to add that I have nothing against people using Windows XP, there can be a variety of reasons why people don't want to migrate to Vista, some legitimate, some bogus. I'm simply speaking against people citing Vista as broken, useless, beeping useless, non-advantageous, and other bogus grievances that have been brought up here as a result of regurgitating press/blog articles rather than learning for themselves as to why something does, or does not work.

dangel · 27-07-2008, 07:45 PM

Interesting thread - i'm disappointed we can't be adults here - this isn't really that important, it's an OS an nothing more after all, but really the point was that people can be willfully ignorant and that's not something that I understand (nor want to). To snip the obvious comeback - it's not that anyone is saying OMFG you've got to get vista but to illustrate the artificial problems that people have with it.

Food for thought.

TheAnimus · 27-07-2008, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by robots

I'm not following a trend. I may be wrong about something, but that's my logic, not because I'm following a trend. Don't be so presumptuous. If you are going to insult me, at least leave it at the ignorant part, and don't go making up random crap. You're also wrong. The software was released before Vista, so couldn't have been made to be Vista compatible... And the software works great on XP, but it doesn't work on Vista, so no matter how you try to spin it, Vista isn't as backwardly compatible as it should be, and it's not a good choice OS for many people. You also seemed to ignore everything else I said. You're just trolling aren't you?

I said there was an endless list of problems, which was true when it was released. I'm trying to explain why it's not as popular now as it should be.

This is intresting too me.

I'm a programmer, i'm very dislexic, i never ever learn't to read or write so well but i can code in c# just like ringing a bell....... The point is i just can't understand where your argument is coming from. I've been programming in at least 60% of my time in windows 32bit environments for the last 12 years! My skills have also been recognised by MS themselfs, and i now work for a small fund management company as a developer/archictect i also do peer code review on those in probation, and final round technical interviews. I'm also 23. Its hard to be bigger geek.

I'm also very critical, my rants about vista and windows in general are quite well known under my 'proffesional' alias.

But belive me your points aren't valid. MS messed up vista, they over promised, and under delivered, late. They didn't explain UAC properly, and most self confessed professional users turn it off, miss-understanding it to be just a dialouge box. They totally messed up their relationship with major hardware vendors, screwed up the direct-x sound subsystem genericism attempts.

However the faults you mention are what happens when someone goes off preservation. If you write things stupidly, then you have fallout to deal with. All programmers eventually get into the situation where a deadline is looming and you make a few 'fudges' along the way to get it out in time. But these have consicquences.

This raises the idea of how important is backwards compatatbility? Since windows XP there has been some options when a process is created which allows for some "non-specification" behavour which the prior OSes had.

So i ask you, how would you define the viewpoint you come from? Are you a dev? An experianced user? How long did you evaluate it for? What was the build, was it designed to take the features vista has in mind?

CrazyMonkey · 28-07-2008, 12:49 AM

I installed Vista Ultimate on release, it broke.... i uninstalled... The dvd has never been touched since, perhaps when i do another major upgrade to pc i may dare put it back in.