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    The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    It looks like the Pentium G4560 has HT,meaning it looks like you can literally get a Skylake level Core i3 for under £70 now:

    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...5ghz-3mb-cache
    http://ark.intel.com/products/97143/...Cache-3_50-GHz


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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    It looks like the Pentium G4560 has HT,meaning it looks like you can literally get a Skylake level Core i3 for under £70 now:

    https://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...5ghz-3mb-cache
    http://ark.intel.com/products/97143/...Cache-3_50-GHz
    Hm, due tomorrow. Was expecting Intel to release these later as they usually do for Pentium (I think).
    Looks like three of the KB Pentiums are:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...22_.2814_nm.29
    (which links back to ark.intel.com)
    Although the other two list for a lot more. For someone not getting a GPU the HD610 vs HD630 might matter. The wiki doesn't list the Execution Unites (EU) cores of HD610 or HD630 and neither does ark, but with Skylake, HD510 vs HD530 had 12EU vs 24EU.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    Hm, due tomorrow. Was expecting Intel to release these later as they usually do for Pentium (I think).
    Looks like three of the KB Pentiums are:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...22_.2814_nm.29
    (which links back to ark.intel.com)
    Although the other two list for a lot more. For someone not getting a GPU the HD610 vs HD630 might matter. The wiki doesn't list the Execution Unites (EU) cores of HD610 or HD630 and neither does ark, but with Skylake, HD510 vs HD530 had 12EU vs 24EU.
    The Core i3 6100 is £108 from Scan currently,so a £42 reduction in price with only a 200MHZ lower clockspeed and probably worse IGP performance is a good trade-off.


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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    The Core i3 6100 is £108 from Scan currently,so a £42 reduction in price with only a 200MHZ lower clockspeed and probably worse IGP performance is a good trade-off.
    If only there was some cheap mobo which could FSB overclock it. Even +10% would make a difference. Guess the Core2 days of cheap mobos overclocking Celerons and Pentiums are long over.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    They're releasing a Kaby Lake Pentium with the same series number as the Skylake Pemtiums but with HT enabled...

    All the Kaby Lake Pentiums have HT enabled by the look of it, which makes the Pentium's literally just a lower clock i3 (although some of the i3s have more cache). Surely Intel can't be *that* worried about the challenge of AMD in the sub £100 bracket, can they? I didn't think Bristol Ridge was that well thought of...?

    IMNSHO the most interesting Kaby Lake processor is probably the i3 7350k, although it's priced very close to the entry level i5s - perhaps too close. Very curious to see the market segmentation shifting though after so many generations of stability - definitely something has got Intel shaken up a bit...

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    i3 7350k is priced ludicrously. It's practically the same silicon as the Pentiums they're putting out at £65 but seems to becoming in over £180 at most retailers.

    As far as I'm concerned it's only the Pentiums with HT that are priced attractively in the entire Kaby Lake lineup. Hadn't realised that cache was on par with some of the lower end I3s. The naming scheme is bonkers to be frank.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by kompukare View Post
    If only there was some cheap mobo which could FSB overclock it. Even +10% would make a difference. Guess the Core2 days of cheap mobos overclocking Celerons and Pentiums are long over.
    You can FSB overclock the KL Core i3 chips,although you need a more expensive motherboard. I wonder if that is the case with this CPU.

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    They're releasing a Kaby Lake Pentium with the same series number as the Skylake Pemtiums but with HT enabled...

    All the Kaby Lake Pentiums have HT enabled by the look of it, which makes the Pentium's literally just a lower clock i3 (although some of the i3s have more cache). Surely Intel can't be *that* worried about the challenge of AMD in the sub £100 bracket, can they? I didn't think Bristol Ridge was that well thought of...?

    IMNSHO the most interesting Kaby Lake processor is probably the i3 7350k, although it's priced very close to the entry level i5s - perhaps too close. Very curious to see the market segmentation shifting though after so many generations of stability - definitely something has got Intel shaken up a bit...
    Quote Originally Posted by Uriel View Post
    i3 7350k is priced ludicrously. It's practically the same silicon as the Pentiums they're putting out at £65 but seems to becoming in over £180 at most retailers.

    As far as I'm concerned it's only the Pentiums with HT that are priced attractively in the entire Kaby Lake lineup. Hadn't realised that cache was on par with some of the lower end I3s. The naming scheme is bonkers to be frank.
    It might be a cunning ploy to get gamers onto the socket 1151 platform and lock them into a Core i7 upgrade path at a later date??

    But whatever said and done,it is a pretty solid CPU for a budget gaming rig.

    Paired with a £90 RX460 or a £105 GTX1050 it would be a solid rig,and you should be fine even with a RX470.

    Unless you are looking for decent IGP performance,there is little reason to buy an AMD FM2+ CPU now.


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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Annoyingly they turned off ECC memory support . Shame, there aren't any dual core Xeons to compete with so Intel often leave that enabled.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by DanceswithUnix View Post
    Annoyingly they turned off ECC memory support . Shame, there aren't any dual core Xeons to compete with so Intel often leave that enabled.
    Kaby Lake introduces s1151 i3s with ECC support - the i3 7101 (in E and TE variants): http://ark.intel.com/search/advanced...ECCMemory=true

    Whether they'll ever make it into the channel is debatable, of course, but at least they exist....

    EDIT: just looked further down that ark search - I hadn't realised how many Skylake dual cores had ECC support (looks like most of them, in fact)...!

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by CAT-THE-FIFTH View Post
    You can FSB overclock the KL Core i3 chips,although you need a more expensive motherboard. I wonder if that is the case with this CPU.





    It might be a cunning ploy to get gamers onto the socket 1151 platform and lock them into a Core i7 upgrade path at a later date??

    But whatever said and done,it is a pretty solid CPU for a budget gaming rig.

    Paired with a £90 RX460 or a £105 GTX1050 it would be a solid rig,and you should be fine even with a RX470.

    Unless you are looking for decent IGP performance,there is little reason to buy an AMD FM2+ CPU now.
    I think it's a cunning plan to compete in the low end. Bristol Ridge AM4 APUs and CPUs are going to struggle against these and it will keep their prices low. AMD will have been intending to ship those in volume and low prices will sting.

    But then where is the mid-range upwards pricing going to fall? I'm expecting Ryzen to be competing in games and desktop programs with i5s at worst and possibly i7s. Surely there will be something to fill that gap, unless the entire pricing structure of both companies CPUs takes a downward shift.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by Uriel View Post
    ... where is the mid-range upwards pricing going to fall? I'm expecting Ryzen to be competing in games and desktop programs with i5s at worst and possibly i7s. Surely there will be something to fill that gap, unless the entire pricing structure of both companies CPUs takes a downward shift.
    I do wonder what the lack of Bristol Ridge in the channel means for AMD. Zen APUs (Raven Ridge, I think?) aren't due for a fair while. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that they've pushed back channel launch of Bristol Ridge until there are Zen CPUs to support the launch of AM4 motherboards, but Bristol Ridge was never really going to compete with Core i3s, and now it's got a $64 Pentium with HT to worry about?

    Have Intel taken note of what AMD did to NVidia in terms of low end launches in the last gen and decided to get their retaliation in first? Bringing HT to their sub $100 processors makes a huge difference to the budget market - AMD's only real advantage now is the better IGP, and it'll be interesting to see how big (or otherwise) that advantage is once we get tests of Kaby Lake's supposedly massively improved IGP.

    I wonder just how far on in development the Zen APUs are. The only way I can see AMD actually competing with Intel's new lineup - which now has very similar HT dual cores between $64 and $179 - is to get 2c/4t and 4c/8t APUs out in the same price range. How the top end of the APU line overlaps with the bottom end of the CPU line will be very interesting...

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    EDIT: just looked further down that ark search - I hadn't realised how many Skylake dual cores had ECC support (looks like most of them, in fact)...!
    Goes a lot further back, though I think you need something like a Supermicro motherboard to make use of the feature. As I said, there isn't a 2 core Xeon but there are machines that require ECC but don't require lots of cores.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    Have Intel taken note of what AMD did to NVidia in terms of low end launches in the last gen and decided to get their retaliation in first? Bringing HT to their sub $100 processors makes a huge difference to the budget market - AMD's only real advantage now is the better IGP, and it'll be interesting to see how big (or otherwise) that advantage is once we get tests of Kaby Lake's supposedly massively improved IGP.
    I think it is a very sharp move on Intel's part.

    Find one of the many games which only use a couple of threads, selectively benchmark a Zen against a tweaked Pentium, and congratulate AMD on their new Pentium equivalent CPU. If they keep saying it often enough, enough pointy haired types will believe it to make a difference, but they need a non lying graph to use.

    OFC they can benchmark a different game Pentium vs i7 to show how good their top end chips are.

    I will be interested to see if these new super dual cores turn up in any sort of volume, or if they dry up really fast to force people to buy an i3/i5. The unlocked i3 is already close to i5 pricing, so clearly they don't really expect people to really buy them.

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    If you can find one of these Pentium chips then they look worth buying, but for now Google Shopping turns up a steering rack part and a rather fetching wig

    Another edit: Is the "due today" at Scan because they sold out, or haven't had any in yet?
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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Overclocking is something that bristol ridge will have over cheap intel CPU's - once you get an intel board that will support OC then all value is out the window, while we've seen leaks of the top-end AMD chipset making it into a motherboard with only one PCI-e slot

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by scaryjim View Post
    All the Kaby Lake Pentiums have HT enabled by the look of it, which makes the Pentium's literally just a lower clock i3
    It's missing a few other bits like AVX I believe, so expect lower performance than a downclocked i3 in at least some applications.

    Although predictably we've got a thousand and one 'oh noes, the 7700K is identical!!1!' articles but I can't see a single review of the biggest improvement in the product range.

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    Re: The Intel Pentium G4560 - the new budget champion??

    Quote Originally Posted by EndlessWaves View Post
    It's missing a few other bits like AVX I believe, so expect lower performance than a downclocked i3 in at least some applications.
    They turned off AVX??? *sigh*, oh well I guess they left us with SSE support so performance shouldn't suck, but I am not impressed.

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