So, If your car gets stolen you now have to pay £105 for the Police to investigate!

[badass]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle1654994.ece

Remember people, getting mad does no good.
Complaining does no good.
Voting does no good.
However making the lives of the utter, utter ers that come up with these utterly insane schemes lives as difficult as possible might get some results.
Remember, as soon as you are charged for services, certain laws come into play e.g. The sale of goods act 1979, The supply of goods and services act 1982 and Sale and Supply of Goods Act 199

Should you be unlucky enough that your car gets stolen, always pay the money, If the scrote doesnt get caught, demand a refund citing that the service you have been offered was not completed in a competent manner, is not worth the money you paid and you want a refund.

If the ****s want to keep the money, they'll have to go to court, wasting a lot of time that'll cost a lot more than £105 and justify why they charged the money but did not get the scrote!

There is no chance whatsoever that this will make a difference as people in this country are too lazy, and only a handful will do this, if any. However, you'll get to feel smug at wasting their time and costing them more money that they could ever have hoped to make out of you by charging you a service you shouldn't have to pay for.

[chuckskull]

Wow could car owners get screwed any harder?

Taxed over and over, and now not even protected by the law. Mental.

[kalniel]

Originally Posted by badass

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Should you be unlucky enough that your car gets stolen, always pay the money, If the scrote doesnt get caught, demand a refund citing that the service you have been offered was not completed in a competent manner, is not worth the money you paid and you want a refund.

If the ****s want to keep the money, they'll have to go to court, wasting a lot of time that'll cost a lot more than £105 and justify why they charged the money but did not get the scrote!

Yeah, put even more workload on the cops, not like they've got anything else to do

With the already existing paper work it should be fairly easy for them to demonstrate exactly what they've done to investigate - they could probably even present a bill detail exactly how many hours they spent investigating and how despite charging £105 there was an additional cost that the tax payer met of several thousand..

But hopefully this cost should be fully met by your insurance.

[Slick]

The way I understand it is that they will look for your car and return it to you, but only if you want to have forensics done with an investigation will the charge come into place. Although it's not a good direction for the police to be going in (it'll become like the NHS which is 'free at the point of delivery' as long as you pay large prescription charges, pay for medication they offer but don't cover the cost of (e.g. jabs), pay hundreds of pounds for 'NHS dentists and opticions', cover the massive hospital car parking charges, and £20 a day on bedside services in hospital).

However I don't think this is such a bad thing as they never catch the guys so under the previous system the police would simply refuse to do the forensics. However now if you really want them to, you can now demand it, although you have to pay for it. Also the £105 would in no way cover the cost of a forensics team and an investigation, and as was previously mentioned it'll probably be covered by your insurance.

[badass]

Originally Posted by kalniel

Yeah, put even more workload on the cops, not like they've got anything else to do

With the already existing paper work it should be fairly easy for them to demonstrate exactly what they've done to investigate - they could probably even present a bill detail exactly how many hours they spent investigating and how despite charging £105 there was an additional cost that the tax payer met of several thousand..

But hopefully this cost should be fully met by your insurance.

My brother's a policeman. He disagrees

[TiG]

Originally Posted by Slick

The way I understand it is that they will look for your car and return it to you, but only if you want to have forensics done with an investigation will the charge come into place. Although it's not a good direction for the police to be going in (it'll become like the NHS which is 'free at the point of delivery' as long as you pay large prescription charges, pay for medication they offer but don't cover the cost of (e.g. jabs), pay hundreds of pounds for 'NHS dentists and opticions', cover the massive hospital car parking charges, and £20 a day on bedside services in hospital).

However I don't think this is such a bad thing as they never catch the guys so under the previous system the police would simply refuse to do the forensics. However now if you really want them to, you can now demand it, although you have to pay for it. Also the £105 would in no way cover the cost of a forensics team and an investigation, and as was previously mentioned it'll probably be covered by your insurance.

You are joking right?, if i pay tax i expect the police to investigate car crime without me having to pay a penny. Quite frankly i'd lose the plot if i was asked to pay to start a criminal investigation when some one had stolen my car and the car was found and should be investigated by the police to try and find the culprit.

Seriously i'd go barmy and refuse to pay and go want to speak to whoever i could to voice my displeasure at the whole concept.

TiG

[Slick]

Originally Posted by TiG

You are joking right?, if i pay tax i expect the police to investigate car crime without me having to pay a penny. Quite frankly i'd lose the plot if i was asked to pay to start a criminal investigation when some one had stolen my car and the car was found and should be investigated by the police to try and find the culprit.

Seriously i'd go barmy and refuse to pay and go want to speak to whoever i could to voice my displeasure at the whole concept.

TiG

My point was though that currently if you have your car stolen and they find it, there is no way they will do an investigation into it, no matter how much you jump up and down and demand that they do it. I've heard of this happening a number of times, the police know that the likelihood of them catching someone is low so they refuse to do the work involved. Now although that's not right, and it should be their duty to enforce the law, the point I was making is now you have the option to demand them to do the investigation, which is a right you didn't have before. So if you really want it done, you now have the choice, which you didn't previously.

[merdat]

Slick ,

While I see your point , it really is a very sad state of affairs.

[vicar]

Moral of the story is if your car is 'kidnapped', don't phone the police

Find a man or woman in the know pay a £100 ransom and have it returned pronto. It works out cheaper and faster than the police .

It's a new government scheme to reduce car theft as thieves can now declare open season on car owners knowing the theft will never be investigated

What a life what are we becoming as a nation?

[dannyboy83]

Although I'm in Scotland and the law is different here, I worked in the road-traffic accident section of one of Scotland's police forces for 9 months.

Basically, the policeu sed an ancient system of reporting car accidents on a paper form and mailing it into a centralised office. If an insurance company or solicitor wanted to find out information about the form, they had to pay £55 (probably more now) to get an "abstract report", which was the basic details of the accident, location, time, date, attending officers - but with the drivers and witneses names left out.

The same went for crime reports, for information on vandalism, car theft, fireraising (arsen), companies had to pay over £50. I'd imagine this cost would then be transferred onto the insurance company or solicitors customer.

[[GSV]Trig]

Nice, how long before someone who gets his car nicked and knows how did it gets stabbed by the theiving little ****s that stole it trying to get it back?

[helend]

is anyone in the goverment on the side of the comon man
do they forget that it is our money they are spending
and it seems to me on the wrong things

[rootjuiceUK]

wow this is new to me. The stupid thing is even if they caught the thief the courts would probably give him a suspended sentence or something as lame because of lack of prison spaces.

[Dreaming]

I think it works on meeting targets.

So if a PC gives a 15 year old boy a warning for swearing in public it counts as one crime solved sort of. The same as doing forensic tests, investigation work, and catching and convicting a car thief.

It's the same in the NHS where to meet targets they will give you an appointment within 30 days, but then cancel it on the morning. Several family members suffering with heart disease and lung cancer have had this happen multiple times.

I think it's not entirely the services to blame, they are accountable to the government / civil service who set targets, and although they want to do a good job it is about pen pushing because at the end of the day it's their jobs on the line if they don't solve 'x' many crimes in a year.

For crimes that are harder to solve, it's understandable that they don't want to do it. Whenever I've used the 999 service it's not there like you think it will be (actually, one ambulance did come within 20 minutes once - but the police just say they can't come right now), and if I ever get in trouble or a fight I think the first phone call will be friends of family.

[drunkenmaster]

yes, as the last guy said this is almost exactly it, governments run on stats now. actual crimes solved doesn't matter, safer country doesn't matter, less people murdered doesn't matter, more prevention and paving the way for a better society doesn't matter. catching criminals and rehabilitating them doesn't matter, teaching kids in the first place well doesn't matter, nothing matters except the stats because stats are all that are used for relecting people to positions of power.

this will be another stupid thing where they use the stat that before say 60% of all forensic reports were on stolen cars and 90% of those aren't solved, that would mean that minimum 55% of all forensic reports lead to unsolved cases, this looks bad. queue essentially rebadging the crimes, look at us, we've gotten so much better that we now solve almost every single case when we use forensic teams on car thefts. they don't tell you they've just reduced the amount of cases they use it on to 5%, and its on cases that are pretty obvious in the first place.

violent crimes in the UK down massively will say the election campaigns, but because the last year, using massive amounts of tax payer money for 50 politicians to sit in a room and reclassify muggings that don't use knives as non violent crimes or something ridiculous.

tax money is used to pay thousands of people to check how every last cent is being used in the NHS, rather than employing more people to work as nurses/doctors/cleaners/porters and for beds. so they've spent hundreds and hundreds of millions of pounds, maybe billions tracking down the 30million wasted, its like the most retarded thing ever.

then the comissioning of reports to study the long term effects on hearing of sitting next to a loud speaker, or does inhaling car fumes make you feel bad or, do underage people drink, does everyone whose ever had weed gone on to be a mass murdered and should we reclass that drug as something else and probably the study of, man A punches Man B in the face, does man b's face hurt.

money is wasted so badly, nothing is getting better, the only things appearing to get better are from twisted stats. In ealing(west london) 10 years ago we used to walk around the main area's in ealing broadway(the nearest area with a concentration of shops, pubs, cinema etc) with no cares at all everyone feeling entirely safe. this was when i was 12-15 i guess, since then the sheer number of people who i know personally that have been mugged is insane, know lots of people that have had cars/house broken into and we live in a supposedly very nice area. somehow some time ago we were informed when my friend was mugged and came straight to us as he was walking very near to us, called police, they came hours later. we were told response was slow because that night there were only 20 police on duty not just for ealing, but i believe ealing, acton and brentford or somewhere else close. this is a massive area, there used to be 3-4 times that amount of police. this was during the last big government push to increase policing numbers, which they did by reassigning people to work in 2 or 3 different area's, so with all the overlap of area's there appeared to be more police, but were less infact.

/rant

[drunkenmaster]

oh lol, this is a good one, also currently at brunel uni, just about, for no apparent reason(pretty chav area) bunch of retard little kids, well 14-15, but a group of like maybe 15 of them started throwing small stones at this fairly tiny chinese student who was walking infront of me so she ran ahead. then they started to pelt me, now it doesn' tmatter that they were young because throw a rock it hurts. i had a big ass coat on and they were small enough stones that it didn't hurt. but had they got a good shot on the head i dunno, but its the way they acted, i changed direction to another street, they followed, etc. the area is pretty terrible, great for a huge area with concentrated(halls) population with almost no police. i decided to call the police because they were throwing stuff at other people and i'd seen the group around a lot and its just not a good thing. the police, while i was still being pelted by rocks said they couldn't make it for a while, but if i give my name they can get someone there in about half hour if i WAIT WHERE I AM. quite frankly i laughed at him, called him a tit and hung up. their advice was not to try and help someone, but we might make it there, why not wait where people are attacking you for a while.


first of all thats the parents faults, can't teach a kid that throwing stones at people is bad, you suck and should have had your nuts cut off before having kids. second, its actually hard for parents now to say that throwing stones at people is bad as the you'll get in trouble with the police, because these days the police are helping you keep the targets still.